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afterhours · 08-31-2005, 07:25 AM

can't believe that the powers that be are letting the nation get so openly fluked. how long can we just accept the unacceptable- wish it was an election year, things would be a little different.

RIROCKHOUND · 08-31-2005, 07:28 AM

It's funny how 'they cant snap their fingers and the price comes down' BUT one blink and they can go up in a hurry;..
$50 for my exploder gets me almost a week, if I'm fishing local, 50 gets me 3-4 days if I'm running west to fish....

Stop and Shop in Newport was 260/gal, not sure now, the proce in gansett went up 13cents yesterday; I filled in the AM at 2.67, not now

Nebe · 08-31-2005, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by afterhours

can't believe that the powers that be are letting the nation get so openly fluked. .

The powers that be have huge share holdings in oil Companies....... even condy Rice has a super tanker named after her.... while we are getting fluked, the ones who have share holdings in oil Co's are laughing all the way to the bank..
If you ask me we are on the brink of a serious problem.... Bush wont do a thing to stop this.. if anything he did what ever he could to cause this.

Homerun04 · 08-31-2005, 08:12 AM

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The powers that be have huge share holdings in oil Companies....... even condy Rice has a super tanker named after her.... while we are getting fluked, the ones who have share holdings in oil Co's are laughing all the way to the bank..

Agreed............

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New technology is the future, if we ever want to escape our dependance on foreign oil.

Agreed............

Nebe · 08-31-2005, 08:22 AM

this is why i cant stand our current administration.. i saw through them about 3 years ago. Its obvious what their real agenda is.. profits for the ultra rich and screw the common folk.
i'll stop now...

Homerun04 · 08-31-2005, 08:25 AM

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Its obvious what their real agenda is.. profits for the ultra rich and screw the common folk.

That's the Republican way..............

Duke41 · 08-31-2005, 08:29 AM

I didn't vote for the war mongering oil company bitch. People better wake up the whole country is being raped. 37 million americans living below the poverty line. How can this be happening?

Nebe · 08-31-2005, 08:36 AM

Afterhours... are you seeing the light

Spence, i think one from the other team wants to switch jerseys... do we have a 2xL????????

alocke · 08-31-2005, 08:39 AM

We need nitrogen engines now, as you know the nitrogen comes from water,and has no pollution problems.
Did you hear on fox news the other night that it costs the oil co. $4.00 total to produce a barrel of refined oil. Oil was selling last night for $70.70 per barrel unrefined.Do the math the balance is profit.
It least Jimmy Carter put in an excess profit tax.

Nebe · 08-31-2005, 08:43 AM

HAHAHA!!!! that is case #1 where Bush has duped the american. Hydrogen engines as you call them are fuel cells. Bush has passed a law that all funding for such technology must use OIL to power the equipment that removes the hydrogen from the water.. Ne never mentioned that publicly, he just spouted out that he was supportive for a cleaner fuel and hydrogen was the answer.

sad huh... were screwed.

Steve K · 08-31-2005, 08:59 AM

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HAHAHA!!!! that is case #1 where Bush has duped the american. Hydrogen engines as you call them are fuel cells. Bush has passed a law that all funding for such technology must use OIL to power the equipment that removes the hydrogen from the water.. Ne never mentioned that publicly, he just spouted out that he was supportive for a cleaner fuel and hydrogen was the answer.

sad huh... were screwed.

Completely agree with what you said. Also, it takes more energy to produce hydrogen than it does to produce the equivalent amount of gasoline. It is a complete sham.

spence · 08-31-2005, 09:23 AM

Actually, I believe the funding stated the source of Hydrodgen must be natural gas, not oil...

There may still be advantages to doing this...if the fossil fuel is broken down in a factory it would be easier to control greenhouse gas emissions...

Even options like ethanol have serious issues. Politicians in the midwest love it because it's good for the local economy...but it requires tremendous amounts of energy to produce.

In the end I've seen little that indicates which alternative sources really provide a significant "net" gain when all the complexities are accounted for.

-spence

Saltheart · 08-31-2005, 02:37 PM

the whole oil thing is a big rip off and i agree the administartion is taking care of 'oilmen" .

the hydrogen fuel thing is another issue. i wouldn't condemn the technology till you really understand it. I have no idea about how the dirty politics is coming into play but overall , someday , we will be burning hydrogen for fuel , its just a matter of time. the entire universe burns hydrgen (fuses it) for energy , we eventually will too. Its a great way to store energy from peak production times to. Lets say you have a wind mill that can generate all you need in the daytime. at night you have excess capacity. right now you have to store the energy in batteries. You could use the energy generation capability off peak to electrolize water and store the hydrogen and oxygen for burning when you need it. Anyway , you get the idea.

I drive a blazer and luckily get 18 to 20 MPG. Not great but i am glad i don't have a 10 MPG huge truck right now!.

the key to short term success is in conservation. the big car companies could forsee the death of the huge vehicles as passenger vehicles , that's why you can buy them so cheap now. remember that $10K you saved on the truck , well you will pay that over the next couple of years in fuel. Too bad , i always wanted to own a suburban for cruising the beaches. Like you own traveling motel!

MakoMike · 08-31-2005, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by alocke

We need nitrogen engines now, as you know the nitrogen comes from water,and has no pollution problems.
Did you hear on fox news the other night that it costs the oil co. $4.00 total to produce a barrel of refined oil. Oil was selling last night for $70.70 per barrel unrefined.Do the math the balance is profit.
It least Jimmy Carter put in an excess profit tax.

Wow! So many misstatements it amazing! Nitrogen is currently the main plollutant produced by the internal combustion engine (both gas and diesel). Nitrogen does not come from water, which is one part Oxygen and two parts Hydrogen, hence the familiar H2O desgination. The "oil companies", except for those producing in the U.S., don't own the oil they produce, its generally owned by the country its in, i.e. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Venezuela. So the cost of crude on the open market has little effect on them. The only effect is that when prices go up they make an additonal profit on the oil they have in inventory. (That can be a substantial profit) The big money makers in this run up of oil prices are the producing countries, most of whom belong to OPEC and keep the supplies low. Excess profits taxes on the oil companies may make people feel good, but it won't do anything to stop the rise in prices, since the countries that are reaping the profits don't pay U.S. taxes.

bart · 08-31-2005, 12:12 PM

WOW!! i filled my sister's car just this morning in anticipation of the higher prices and it was 2.69. just went back now to fill mine and its already 2.99!!

RIROCKHOUND · 08-31-2005, 12:15 PM

Yup; filled up Yesterday; now big descions is to fish local or drive....
After labor day hopefully we'll see a drop in price....

Diamond Tackle · 08-31-2005, 12:21 PM

Heard on the radio that a station in Bklyn NY just broke the $4 / gal mark today.
On another board I saw a post that the UK is experiencing prices in the $7-8 range per gal, if you convert lbs sterling to us dollars.This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
Im thinking of buying a horse and a years supply of Hay.

eelman · 08-31-2005, 08:40 AM

its now at a point where for me anyway , I will start really picking my nights. I cant afford to drive all over the place looking and trying things. To make it worse I went ahead and baught a GMC Pickup in april with a big v8..I must be nuts

Costs me almost 70 bucks to fill up !

afterhours · 08-31-2005, 08:20 AM

[QUOTE=Nebe]The powers that be have huge share holdings in oil Companies....... even condy Rice has a super tanker named after her.... while we are getting fluked, the ones who have share holdings in oil Co's are laughing all the way to the bank..

gotta agree with nebe. i know that w's family and some other politicos' are big time into oil. i just can't stand how blatant this is. we are being told to go 'eff ourselves when they're not doing it to us.

Swimmer · 08-31-2005, 11:12 AM

I'll bet we find that this is the same as the Califonia energy crisis that occured in the 90's where homeowners in that state were forced to pay astonimcal sums for electricity. The government found that middlemen, buyers and sellers of energy working in the same room and sometimes for the same company were buying energy from the guys on the other side of the room in the morning and selling it back to them at an artificially inflated profits to generate sales and comissions. That's my two cents. Bush this morning released some of the government controlled oil reserves. Thats all he controls in this mess.

Swimmer · 08-31-2005, 11:13 AM

Reel ecstasy,
Saw one the other day for sale cheap. It was listed next to a WIDGIT going half price.