Gas Prices - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

alocke · 08-31-2005, 08:39 AM

We need nitrogen engines now, as you know the nitrogen comes from water,and has no pollution problems.
Did you hear on fox news the other night that it costs the oil co. $4.00 total to produce a barrel of refined oil. Oil was selling last night for $70.70 per barrel unrefined.Do the math the balance is profit.
It least Jimmy Carter put in an excess profit tax.

Nebe · 08-31-2005, 08:43 AM

HAHAHA!!!! that is case #1 where Bush has duped the american. Hydrogen engines as you call them are fuel cells. Bush has passed a law that all funding for such technology must use OIL to power the equipment that removes the hydrogen from the water.. Ne never mentioned that publicly, he just spouted out that he was supportive for a cleaner fuel and hydrogen was the answer.

sad huh... were screwed.

Steve K · 08-31-2005, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe

HAHAHA!!!! that is case #1 where Bush has duped the american. Hydrogen engines as you call them are fuel cells. Bush has passed a law that all funding for such technology must use OIL to power the equipment that removes the hydrogen from the water.. Ne never mentioned that publicly, he just spouted out that he was supportive for a cleaner fuel and hydrogen was the answer.

sad huh... were screwed.

Completely agree with what you said. Also, it takes more energy to produce hydrogen than it does to produce the equivalent amount of gasoline. It is a complete sham.

spence · 08-31-2005, 09:23 AM

Actually, I believe the funding stated the source of Hydrodgen must be natural gas, not oil...

There may still be advantages to doing this...if the fossil fuel is broken down in a factory it would be easier to control greenhouse gas emissions...

Even options like ethanol have serious issues. Politicians in the midwest love it because it's good for the local economy...but it requires tremendous amounts of energy to produce.

In the end I've seen little that indicates which alternative sources really provide a significant "net" gain when all the complexities are accounted for.

-spence

bart · 08-31-2005, 10:11 AM

starting to wish i never got that new chevy back in feb.

Nebe · 08-31-2005, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bart

starting to wish i never got that new chevy back in feb.

Again.. there were millions of small business owners who were duped into a huge tax repabate if they bought a vehicle over a certian tonnage... basically a gas guzzler. well, maybe they werent duped, but you could see who would be happy... the business owner, the car maker and the oil co's... now the car owner is paying through the arse to pay for all that gas and the oil company is making all the $$$$$$

5/0 · 08-31-2005, 08:12 PM

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starting to wish i never got that new chevy back in feb.

Yup me too! IM glad I got a new pig I love it but IM getting absolutly no love at the pump

IM going to pick my nights a lil more selectivly.

TheRattBoy · 08-31-2005, 08:15 PM

All those new Dodge trucks/cars with Hemi's... Yeah , it's got a Hemi

Iwannakeeper · 08-31-2005, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by spence

Actually, I believe the funding stated the source of Hydrodgen must be natural gas, not oil...

There may still be advantages to doing this...if the fossil fuel is broken down in a factory it would be easier to control greenhouse gas emissions...

Even options like ethanol have serious issues. Politicians in the midwest love it because it's good for the local economy...but it requires tremendous amounts of energy to produce.

In the end I've seen little that indicates which alternative sources really provide a significant "net" gain when all the complexities are accounted for.

-spence

hear-hear.

While we all have opinions on how easy it is to just make the change. And I think most of us agree it is already too late and the damage should have been halted long ago. We are behind the proverbial 8-ball now and as spence pointed out - this is a complex issue with no obvious winner. The problems we have cannot all be blamed on Bush - why were there no hydrogen cars during the Clinton Admin. He had 8 years to do something about it....but there are still very few alternative fuel or even hybrid vehicles on the road.

I agree that there is definitely a conflict of interest with all the politicians with there fingers in the oil community. In my opinion there has to be something that can be done. But again, I will refer back to spence - nothing is easy.

Instead of complaining, we could all simply change our lifestyles and stop or minimize our use of foreign oil. I forgot where I read it, but some of the smaller gas station chains do not use foreign oil. All of us with big V-8s that do not require them for our work or families could down size. We could fish much closer spots. We could commute or use public transportation.

But know - we keep our oil guzzling hogs because we like them. We drive 40 miles to fish that special spot when there is local access to water in our same towns. We don't carpool or use public transportation because it is hot, cold, smells, late, early, schedule doesn't allow or because it is just inconvienent.

Then we turn around and complain that politicians simply aren't fixing our problems. When it comes to the national security - I agree we need to get off foreign oil. But if it is simply cost - suck it up and change your lifestyle. Since when did we become a nation of people who don't take matters into our own hands.

Instead of finger pointing - make your own small changes to become less dependant on foreign oil. If everyone stopped complaining and voted with their $$$ things would change. If we all sold our V-8s and bought green vehicles (bio-desiel, hybrid, natural gas), the green vehicles and the cooresponding places to fill them would become more available, with better features, etc. As long as we are willing to stand at the pump and pay $3.00/gallon and not change our habits - we are fluking ourselves.

reelecstasy · 08-31-2005, 10:39 AM

I keep looking on ebay for a Flux Capacitor, but nuttin yet

spence · 08-31-2005, 11:05 AM

It certianly can't all be blamed on Bush, but what does suprise me is a failure to push the issue post 9/11. How about a "Carpool for America" campaign or something??? Hell anything!

Without a doubt, the Administration's deep ties to the oil and energy industries are biasing policy decisions that in a post 9/11 world should be much more objective. This "keep shopping" mantra is only going to lead to consumer driven ruin when the shyte really hits the fan and all we can do is reflect on how much we've consumed.

-spence

Saltheart · 08-31-2005, 02:37 PM

the whole oil thing is a big rip off and i agree the administartion is taking care of 'oilmen" .

the hydrogen fuel thing is another issue. i wouldn't condemn the technology till you really understand it. I have no idea about how the dirty politics is coming into play but overall , someday , we will be burning hydrogen for fuel , its just a matter of time. the entire universe burns hydrgen (fuses it) for energy , we eventually will too. Its a great way to store energy from peak production times to. Lets say you have a wind mill that can generate all you need in the daytime. at night you have excess capacity. right now you have to store the energy in batteries. You could use the energy generation capability off peak to electrolize water and store the hydrogen and oxygen for burning when you need it. Anyway , you get the idea.

I drive a blazer and luckily get 18 to 20 MPG. Not great but i am glad i don't have a 10 MPG huge truck right now!.

the key to short term success is in conservation. the big car companies could forsee the death of the huge vehicles as passenger vehicles , that's why you can buy them so cheap now. remember that $10K you saved on the truck , well you will pay that over the next couple of years in fuel. Too bad , i always wanted to own a suburban for cruising the beaches. Like you own traveling motel!

Raven · 08-31-2005, 03:18 PM

backwards engineered ALIEN technology when you need it.

Even hemp seed can make a vegetable based diesel fuel...
and there are cars driving around this "whole country" on free dirty
frying oil from restaurants... and what bugs the hell out of me
is all of the fantastic INVENTIONS of new technology carbuerators
that gave you incredible M.P.G. that have been purchased
(patent rights included) by the oil conglomeration that have been
buried away never to be heard of AGAIN.

it's a war about OIL and energy thats for sure.

and shouldn't school buses be one of the first vehicles to utilize
the hybrid engine technology for cleaner take offs from a dead stop
rather than only smaller toyota's...
anyone who's ever been behind a school bus
and has been fumigated with unburnt diesel oil fumes would agree.
the whole friggan roof of a bus could have interchangable solar panels
removable in the winter time because of snow .

we have the TECHNOLOGY.... but it's not being used.
it's either been made illegal...squelched...disposed of
or buried because of MONEY -> it's time for radical change.

Notaro · 08-31-2005, 03:19 PM

now its 3.00 a gallon

MakoMike · 08-31-2005, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by alocke

We need nitrogen engines now, as you know the nitrogen comes from water,and has no pollution problems.
Did you hear on fox news the other night that it costs the oil co. $4.00 total to produce a barrel of refined oil. Oil was selling last night for $70.70 per barrel unrefined.Do the math the balance is profit.
It least Jimmy Carter put in an excess profit tax.

Wow! So many misstatements it amazing! Nitrogen is currently the main plollutant produced by the internal combustion engine (both gas and diesel). Nitrogen does not come from water, which is one part Oxygen and two parts Hydrogen, hence the familiar H2O desgination. The "oil companies", except for those producing in the U.S., don't own the oil they produce, its generally owned by the country its in, i.e. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Venezuela. So the cost of crude on the open market has little effect on them. The only effect is that when prices go up they make an additonal profit on the oil they have in inventory. (That can be a substantial profit) The big money makers in this run up of oil prices are the producing countries, most of whom belong to OPEC and keep the supplies low. Excess profits taxes on the oil companies may make people feel good, but it won't do anything to stop the rise in prices, since the countries that are reaping the profits don't pay U.S. taxes.

bart · 08-31-2005, 12:12 PM

WOW!! i filled my sister's car just this morning in anticipation of the higher prices and it was 2.69. just went back now to fill mine and its already 2.99!!

RIROCKHOUND · 08-31-2005, 12:15 PM

Yup; filled up Yesterday; now big descions is to fish local or drive....
After labor day hopefully we'll see a drop in price....

piemma · 08-31-2005, 12:19 PM

Diamond Tackle · 08-31-2005, 12:21 PM

Heard on the radio that a station in Bklyn NY just broke the $4 / gal mark today.
On another board I saw a post that the UK is experiencing prices in the $7-8 range per gal, if you convert lbs sterling to us dollars.This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
Im thinking of buying a horse and a years supply of Hay.

spence · 08-31-2005, 12:41 PM

Straw is cheaper

-spence

Jimbo · 08-31-2005, 12:42 PM

Was shocked to pay 2.99 at the pump in NJ this morning and noticed Super at 3.19. Hasn't been that bad here since I can remember. I'm going to start charging my kids when they want a ride somewhere, also giving friends a ride..."Dad, can you give Sabrina, Katrina, and a ride home?" "Sure thing. A dollar for the first half mile and fifty cents a mile after that. No IOU's but if your mother's hot I'll consider her in trade. Now pay up or get out my meter's running."

Raven · 08-31-2005, 12:43 PM

are shut down....just because of a lack of electricity....the military and the national guard are on there way and hopefully that scenario will soon be rectified.

MakoMike · 08-31-2005, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Heard on the radio that a station in Bklyn NY just broke the $4 / gal mark today.
On another board I saw a post that the UK is experiencing prices in the $7-8 range per gal, if you convert lbs sterling to us dollars.This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
Im thinking of buying a horse and a years supply of Hay.

Almost 75% of that U.K. price is the huge taxes they put on it.