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11-16-2005, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Swimmer
Many if not most of the people Stalin the athiest killed he did so because they did believe in a god and did belong to a religon, and were diametrically opposed to his beliefs, which would make thier deaths associated just a bit to religon.
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I think this notion is legally, morally, ethically, spiritually, physically, positively, absolutely undeniably and reliably not true!
Sorry, the OZ was on last night 
But seriously, Stalin was an athiest...but I don't believe history shows this was a driving force behind his bad behavior.
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11-16-2005, 01:19 PM
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Seal Control
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Gee, I just thought it was a funny story!! Never meant to start a RELIGIOUS WAR!!!
People get all worked up for nothing!! No wonder we are all screwed up!!
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11-16-2005, 01:47 PM
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The actual bottom line that war is started for is....Stuff (Money, Land, Oil, Chickens)
It doesn't matter what They just want your stuff. They conquer you and take your stuff.
In the crusades they conquer you and make you believe in Christ....so That way the Church can take all your stuff.
The revolutionary war we wanted to keep our stuff and the british wanted their stuff back.
World War II Hitler wanted everybody's stuff.
The civil war the south didn't want to free their stuff (slaves were property so technically they're stuff)
The trojan war someone wanted to get themselves a peice of someone else's Stuff.
It all boils down to either trying to keep your stuff or having someone else trying to take your stuff.
Its just that sometimes religion is a convenient excuse....
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11-16-2005, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
The actual bottom line that war is started for is....Stuff (Money, Land, Oil, Chickens)
It doesn't matter what They just want your stuff. They conquer you and take your stuff.
In the crusades they conquer you and make you believe in Christ....so That way the Church can take all your stuff.
The revolutionary war we wanted to keep our stuff and the british wanted their stuff back.
World War II Hitler wanted everybody's stuff.
The civil war the south didn't want to free their stuff (slaves were property so technically they're stuff)
The trojan war someone wanted to get themselves a peice of someone else's Stuff.
It all boils down to either trying to keep your stuff or having someone else trying to take your stuff.
Its just that sometimes religion is a convenient excuse....
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so george carlin is correct !
Im getting rid of some of my stuff to make room for someone elses stuff . I have room for some stuff just not enough room fo all the stuff . |
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11-16-2005, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by chris L
so george carlin is correct !
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11-16-2005, 04:41 PM
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11-16-2005, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
The actual bottom line that war is started for is....Stuff (Money, Land, Oil, Chickens)
It doesn't matter what They just want your stuff. They conquer you and take your stuff.
In the crusades they conquer you and make you believe in Christ....so That way the Church can take all your stuff.
The revolutionary war we wanted to keep our stuff and the british wanted their stuff back.
World War II Hitler wanted everybody's stuff.
The civil war the south didn't want to free their stuff (slaves were property so technically they're stuff)
The trojan war someone wanted to get themselves a piece of someone else's Stuff.
It all boils down to either trying to keep your stuff or having someone else trying to take your stuff.
Its just that sometimes religion is a convenient excuse....
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Religion was used as the "convenient excuse" in EVERY single instance above other than the American Civil War.It was fought over states' rights.Most southerners couldn't afford slaves never mind land.It became a religious issue after the Emancipation Proclamation was introduced.Most believed slavery was against gods' ideals.Simply put...enslaving your fellow man is just wrong it has nothing to do with religion its JUST WRONG.
War has never been about stuff.Its about imposing one's beliefs on another. |
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11-17-2005, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by basswipe
War has never been about stuff.Its about imposing one's beliefs on another.
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Got to disagree with you on that one...War is ALWAYS about stuff, whether it be Money, Land, or other economically valuable items. Which all pretty much equal money.
When Hitler marched into France it wasn't to exterminate the Jews or force his religious views....it was to take France over...period
In the civil war I'm sure it wasn't the poor southerners that were financing the soldiers weapons, food, and clothes. A lot of "donations" came in from the wealthy slave owners that were afraid of losing their 'Free Labor" and their wealth when it happened.
And Eben's right....never argue religion. The only way to PROVE your right is to "Walk into the Light". I'm not ready to prove anything yet  |
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11-20-2005, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
Got to disagree with you on that one...War is ALWAYS about stuff, whether it be Money, Land, or other economically valuable items. Which all pretty much equal money.
When Hitler marched into France it wasn't to exterminate the Jews or force his religious views....it was to take France over...period
In the civil war I'm sure it wasn't the poor southerners that were financing the soldiers weapons, food, and clothes. A lot of "donations" came in from the wealthy slave owners that were afraid of losing their 'Free Labor" and their wealth when it happened.
And Eben's right....never argue religion. The only way to PROVE your right is to "Walk into the Light". I'm not ready to prove anything yet |
Not even gonna bother. |
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11-20-2005, 11:37 AM
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Anyways..............its all about the almighty Striper!
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11-20-2005, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by basswipe
Not even gonna bother.
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Then Why did you even bother typing anything at all.... |
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