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Old 12-16-2005, 02:39 AM   #1
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Science has more theories than facts....I think global warming is more theoretical than fact...what do they base it on? The fact that the average yearly temperature has increased by 1 degree in a hundred years....yeah, gonna hang my hat on that one! Pass the 45 factor please!
Global warming is more than a fact, it's a reality that we need to deal with. We may hear about global warming, temperatures increasing...blah blah blah, but it doesn't have much of an effect to us since we don't understand how it affects the world in general. Glaciers are shrinking, the polar ice cap is melting, and more storms are occuring due to global warming. Again, how does that affect us? I'm assuming most of us have seen "the day after tomorrow", and in theory it's pretty accurate, though it can never get that extreme that fast. The fact is that glacial ice is melting and more freshwater is being added to the ocean, which in turn decreases the salinity of the water. When the salinity decreases, the deep ocean current slows down, which makes the gulf stream slow down as well. The heat that the gulf stream contains is responsible for warming northwestern europe and greenland, but if the currents slow down, then the heat will be lost before it reaches the northern latitudes. Over the last 50 years or so the strength of the gulf stream has decreased approximately 30%, and still is decreasing. In a few decades, the temperature in western europe could drop about 18 degrees. Imagine what that would do to the fish...that's how it affects us.
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Old 12-16-2005, 06:23 AM   #2
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One thing is a fact:before all previous iceages the earth warmed dramatically.We are at that point in the cycle that we are approaching another iceage but this time around man has had a direct hand in the warming process.How this will affect things who's to say.

In an aside we are also fast approaching another phenomenon(?) scientists have dubbed a "flip-flop".This a reversal of the magnetic poles.
We are so close in fact that it could realistically happen within our lifetimes.
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Old 12-16-2005, 09:52 AM   #3
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imagine our planet is a car. we can drive it nice and slow and baby the car thus making the car last to 300,000 miles, or we can stomp on the gas pedal, stomp o the brakes, grind the transmission and never change the oil... maybe the car will last 75,000 miles.

In the end this planet's fate is chosen daily by all of our actions, and just remember, GREED is a huge factor in why our government is saying global warming doesnt exist, and Greed is why we are in Iraq, but i digress.. All you have to do is think to yourself, do we wait until there is a serious problem, or do we change things for the better now and not have to worry.
This argument goes for many things including our loved bass. it was greed that almost brought stripers to the brink of extinction.
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Old 12-16-2005, 10:01 AM   #4
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I think all those glass blowing ovens are the cause for the supposed global warming...at least in the Rhody area!

Almost time to get our fish on!!!
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Old 12-16-2005, 10:05 AM   #5
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I think all those glass blowing ovens are the cause for the supposed global warming...at least in the Rhody area!
I use no more gas and electric than a small resteraunt
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Old 12-16-2005, 10:13 AM   #6
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There are a lot of scientists that beleive heavily in the existence of human impact on Global Warming, paid to study it and not paid to study it. There are a lot of scientists that are skeptical of human influence on global warming, paid to study it and not paid to study it. There are a few scientists that believe there is no human impact on global warming, of course, they are paid to study it

Most of the evidence points to man's impact on global warming and the extremes in weather that comes as a result. Unfortunately, "science" is disregarded more by those that also believe that humans are NOT having an impact on "global warming".

Barring wonderful develoments of "SCIENCE" that dramatically increases our life spans, none of us will likely be around for the definitive answer on how much impact humans in the past 100 or so years have had on global climate change. But our kids, grandkids, and great grandkids will.

Is that a chance we can afford to take? Are you willing to let future generations suffer the consequences we can control today?

I remember back in the 70s or 80s, TV commercials showing people wearing dust masks because we razed the forests and polution was rampant, and the moral was what would we leave for our kids and grandkids. It is important that we err on the side of caution so that our kids and grandkids inherit a better, more stable earth and environment. Am I going to live in a Redwood for a year to protect my tree brethern, uh no. But I am going to be at least somewhat proactive to reduce my impact on the environment...

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Old 12-16-2005, 10:25 AM   #7
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But I am going to be at least somewhat proactive to reduce my impact on the environment...
Someone keep him away from the chili at plugfest !!
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Old 12-16-2005, 10:36 AM   #8
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I saw an awesome show on tv about this a few weeks ago. It all has to do with the amont of carbon in the air. Cars, factories, power plants and even our breathing puts tons and tons of carbon into the air. The earth can handle some of this through plants/trees which take in carbon and put out oxygen. Now, as more and more countries become industrialized, more carrs, more factories, more carbon, coupled with less plants and trees, teh earth cannot keep up with teh carbon. the carbon forms the "greenhouse" affect and the earth heats up. It seems pretty basic. I was blown away by the statistic that the earths populaiton doubled since the 1960s.
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Old 12-16-2005, 10:36 AM   #9
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Someone keep him away from the chili at plugfest !!
No chilli for me, or coffee in the morning when I'm outa the house

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Old 12-16-2005, 10:36 AM   #10
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ask the polar bears if they believe in global warming
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Old 12-16-2005, 10:38 AM   #11
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What disturbs me most about the whole global warming debate, is how corporate interests obfuscate the issues to simply delay any action they feel will impact profit. There's religious influence as well that's simply absurd. Just listen to Rush Limbaugh on the topic...

There's no debate that the Earth is warming, and alarmingly so. Regardless if it's manmade, if humans are exacerbating the issue or if it's completely natural...it's still a global concern that needs to be taken into account or we will make foolish mistakes that should have been quite obvious.

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Old 12-16-2005, 04:49 PM   #12
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imagine our planet is a car. we can drive it nice and slow and baby the car thus making the car last to 300,000 miles, or we can stomp on the gas pedal, stomp o the brakes, grind the transmission and never change the oil... maybe the car will last 75,000 miles.

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This argument goes for many things including our loved bass. it was greed that almost brought stripers to the brink of extinction.
See!, its all Neben's fault. He keeps all the good fishing spots to himself. The rest of us have to ride around and look for the good fishing spots.
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