Slug-go weights

[tlapinski]

Found another source for weighting rigged rubber. Same weight options as the "Slug-go certified" ones, but cheaper.
http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catal...rTarget=browse

[tlapinski]

Add some sound to your slug... http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catal...mCat=CROSSSELL

[piemma]

Good stuff, Toby

[kippy]

Originally Posted by tlapinski

Found another source for weighting rigged rubber. Same weight options as the "Slug-go certified" ones, but cheaper.
http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catal...rTarget=browse

what size would work better for the 9" sluggos?

[Swimmer]

When my brother and I were driving home from the MSBA meeting after listening to Steve's lecture I had given thought to taking various size nails and grinding one end to a point a taking the nail head off. An eight or ten penny galvy nail will give the same results as what you guys are talking about here. Spend an hour at the grinder and a whole season worth of sluggo weight could be had. What do you think?

[JoeP]

And if you want to avoid the hassle of double-rigging your 9" Slug-gos with dacron, try these hooks (PeteG, these are the ones I told you about):

http://anglersonline.com/Merchant2/m...Code=OWNEROVER


I've been using them on 9" Slug-gos and 7" Fin-S-Fish for 5 or 6 years and they work great. The hook comes out right in the middle of the joint of the 9" Slug-gos. Very strong, very sharp, and very corrosion-resistant hooks. Bass Pro also sells them.

And if you are getting very short hits and still want to add a 2nd stinger hook just use these wrapped over the shank of the main hook:

http://www.gamakatsu.com/new_products/new_assist510.htm

Cabelas sells them. Very easy to put on and take off. I carry them in case.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

When my brother and I were driving home from the MSBA meeting after listening to Steve's lecture I had given thought to taking various size nails and grinding one end to a point a taking the nail head off. An eight or ten penny galvy nail will give the same results as what you guys are talking about here. Spend an hour at the grinder and a whole season worth of sluggo weight could be had. What do you think?

I think solder cut to length will work good. I may try that but at the cheap price from Surfcasting RI for a bag of them, I'll just buy them instead.

[Swimmer]

Yah, sounds good. Certainly more pliable and easier to make a point.

[tlapinski]

Kippy, I use the larger of the two sizes. Most of mine I rig with 3 weights like Steve showed me. I did a couple with 5 weights, but the 3 weight ones wiggled a little better.

I was never able to rig slug-go's correctly with the classic worm-style hooks. I always found that no matter how perfectly straight they were before the cast, the force of casting the lure would slide the body down the hook and cause the rig to spin. Until I started double-hook rigging, I would simply use an 8/0 mustad straight hook in the nose with thread wrapped around the shank. It wiggles just as good as the double hook rig. I'm not really sure why I have switched to double hooking them to be honest...

Here is a write up on the style I was using:
http://www.connecticutsurfcasters.co...sluggoart.html

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by tlapinski

Here is a write up on the style I was using:
http://www.connecticutsurfcasters.co...sluggoart.html

Good article.Certainly easier and a little cheaper to rig them according to the article.

I did notice no mention of adding weight(other than the hook).How well does this cast compared to the double hook weighted sluggo?

[JoeP]

Originally Posted by tlapinski

I was never able to rig slug-go's correctly with the classic worm-style hooks. I always found that no matter how perfectly straight they were before the cast, the force of casting the lure would slide the body down the hook and cause the rig to spin. Until I started double-hook rigging, I would simply use an 8/0 mustad straight hook in the nose with thread wrapped around the shank. It wiggles just as good as the double hook rig. I'm not really sure why I have switched to double hooking them to be honest...

Toby, I just peg them into the hook eye with toothpicks - they stay put that way.

[eelman]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

When my brother and I were driving home from the MSBA meeting after listening to Steve's lecture I had given thought to taking various size nails and grinding one end to a point a taking the nail head off. An eight or ten penny galvy nail will give the same results as what you guys are talking about here. Spend an hour at the grinder and a whole season worth of sluggo weight could be had. What do you think?

That would be fine if a nail had the same density and weight as lead.....They dont..............

[bart]

i stick 4 finishing nails in the head. you still get nice realistic action this way and the head will stay down in current....

[tlapinski]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Good article.Certainly easier and a little cheaper to rig them according to the article.

I did notice no mention of adding weight(other than the hook).How well does this cast compared to the double hook weighted sluggo?

They don't have quite as much weight rigged that way, but you can add weight if you want. The single hook on its own is heavier than the two hook combined. You really only need to add tail weight. When I rigged them this way, I seldom used weights. When I did, I would use nails. As #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& said, they are not as dense as the lead so you need to use larger or more of them to get the same effect. It is, however, a viable option. I seriously doubt a bass will care if you use a nail or lead or if your rig weigh .02 ounces less than the guy standing next to you.

By the way, Tim Coleman uses the single hook method and he has taken some impressive fish over the years on slug-gos rigged this way.

[basswipe]

[QUOTE=tlapinski]They don't have quite as much weight rigged that way, but you can add weight if you want. The single hook on its own is heavier than the two hook combined. You really only need to add tail weight. When I rigged them this way, I seldom used weights. When I did, I would use nails.

Access to nails is not a problem for me.They are in abundance all over the place on our sites!

I'm gonna rig up a few this week in weighted and unweighted.When we get a decent enough day I'll do a little experimenting.

[Nebe]

just for the record, the lunker city nails are not lead. there might be a little bit of lead in them, but they are made out of a crappy alloy like a tire weight.

[Christian]

ive used regular wood nails, they work. its nice having the sluggo ones though so you can break them if you think you need lees weight.

[eelman]

Originally Posted by tlapinski

They don't have quite as much weight rigged that way, but you can add weight if you want. The single hook on its own is heavier than the two hook combined. You really only need to add tail weight. When I rigged them this way, I seldom used weights. When I did, I would use nails. As #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& said, they are not as dense as the lead so you need to use larger or more of them to get the same effect. It is, however, a viable option. I seriously doubt a bass will care if you use a nail or lead or if your rig weigh .02 ounces less than the guy standing next to you.

By the way, Tim Coleman uses the single hook method and he has taken some impressive fish over the years on slug-gos rigged this way.

Toby, I agree the bass could care less but, I feel from seeing his results night after night, That the total package of the way Steve rigs them and fishes them works awesome. Could very well be that a minor change would take away from the action that he gets. So its the whole thing and not one thing that makes a difference. Tim has told me more than once that the only reason he does not rig them like steve is simply being lazy, while he has caught some impressive fish, the action is not the same . Steve has hit the perfect combination and total paclage that works perfect. As far as rigging them goes, once you get the hang of it its really easy and fast. Eben, you are right however there is something to it. Steve uses 3 of the large size could be the exact perfect weight..I dont know I just see the results..........Very Impressive.

So while a nail may seem like a minor difference, I think it could make all the difference in the overall action etc... But hey inovation and imagination are good and tinkering with the bait is half the fun, I have fished them with single and double, I prefer the double hook rig.

Still wont come close to a live eel But then again...Nothing does................... You know Steve makes the comment at his shows, "No other artificial even comes close, the only thing better is the live eel" Thats a statement I agree with.

[tlapinski]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

So while a nail may seem like a minor difference, I think it could make all the difference in the overall action etc...

Why would a nail not work if it is the same mass as the slug-go weight?

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by tlapinski

Why would a nail not work if it is the same mass as the slug-go weight?

same mass different weight.

[tlapinski]

Originally Posted by Nebe

same mass different weight.

But if it was same mass/size, it would be the same. No?

[Nebe]

sure.. dont see why not

[Redsoxticket]

Originally Posted by tlapinski

But if it was same mass/size, it would be the same. No?

The weight of an object is defined as the force of gravity on the object and may be calculated as the mass times the acceleration of gravity, w = mg.

Weight of nail= (mass of nail) x (acceleration of gravity)

Like nebe said, in otther words the weight is different and so is the mass between the nail a lunker city nail since the acceleration of gravity (9.8 m/s sq.) is constant.

[Goose]

WTF

[dickmont]

Originally Posted by Goose

WTF

you got that right goose!!!

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Nebe

same mass different weight.

If the mass is the same, shouldn't the weight be the same, assuming both are on this planet?

[Redsoxticket]

Originally Posted by Goose

WTF

The nails and lunker nails appear the same but different densities.

[Nebe]

mass is the physical volume or bulk of a solid body. A nail made out of steel will never weigh as much as a nail made out of a heavier metal such as lead that is the same mass as the steel nail.

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by Redsoxticket

The weight of an object is defined as the force of gravity on the object and may be calculated as the mass times the acceleration of gravity, w = mg.

Weight of nail= (mass of nail) x (acceleration of gravity)

Like nebe said, in otther words the weight is different and so is the mass between the nail a lunker city nail since the acceleration of gravity (9.8 m/s sq.) is constant.

HUH?!?!?!?!?!?

Acceleration and Gravity are not mutually inclusive.Remember the 'ol bowling ball and a feather in a vacuum?Everything being equal the rate at which an object will fall(accelate) is 9.8ft per second/per second. So..................

........which weighs more:a pound of lead or a pound of feathers?A pound is a pound no matter how you look at it.The only differance is size.So.........

.........a 1/32 nail weighs the same as a 1/32 slug-go weight.And trust me nails come in oh so many more varieties than a slug-go weight. Depending on size# a stainless brad is about as small or smaller as a slug-go weight.

[Redsoxticket]

Originally Posted by Nebe

mass is the physical volume or bulk of a solid body. A nail made out of steel will never weigh as much as a nail made out of a heavier metal such as lead that is the same mass as the steel nail.

The derivative of Newton's second law is
Weight = Mass x Gravity

If the nails are the exact length and diameter but different weights the mass is different per the law. Therefore the mass is different and not the same.