State of the Union address

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Raven

a debate.........
lets bash some bush

Nah lets bash some Cindy Sheehan instead....

[spence]

They both could use a few smacks if you ask me...

-spence

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by spence

They both could use a few smacks if you ask me...

-spence

Sheehan certainy has the right to protest all she wants...But, that was the wrong place and time for what she tried to pull. Wish she would just go back and hang with her new anti american budy Hugo C. in Venezuala (sp?)

And W's speech....Not one of the most inspiring he's ever given and not much we havent heard before. Most State of the Union speeches are the same with all presidents. Just alot of generic stuff.Nothing new we havent debated on here ove the past year.

[chris L]

just to set it straight for me anyways .
I dont trust or like the dems , reps , indepen , green party , blue party and black sunday . They all lie and want their names in history . it doesnt matter who is in office to be a politition you have to be crooked .

just thought I would add this
Massenvernichtungswaffen means weapons of mass destruction or translates too mass destruction weapons

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by chris L

just to set it straight for me anyways .
I dont trust or like the dems , reps , indepen , green party , blue party and black sunday . They all lie and want their names in history . it doesnt matter who is in office to be a politition you have to be crooked .

just thought I would add this
Massenvernichtungswaffen means weapons of mass destruction or translates too mass destruction weapons

Jawohl herr Feldwebbel....

OK Skip, I won't go into the balance for or not for going into war but how about the prosecution of the war and the time period leading to it?

How about when going to war was a "last resort"? BS, it was not a last resort, it was GO IN NOW as the time for a land based mobile campaign to Baghdad was EXPIRING for at least 6 months. It was a time table that if you were going to do it you had to and if not you were on a 6 month to 12 month (actually 10-11 month initially) interval for when a land campaign was most feasible.


How about when the Army Chief of Staff says you will need HUNDREDS of thousands of US personel to secure a postwar Iraq? A PROFESSIONAL soldier, in charge of the army, being overruled by the political appointies and poli-theorists. Or ignoring and not consulting with the senior Army leadership from Bosnia/Serb canpaings/peacekeeping, or General Garner from his experience with the Kurds after GW1? Or the countless other people - professionals - that disagreed with the administration on how to prosecute the war and prosecute the peace. IMO, Bush (and clan) is a war criminal in that he let DOWN his warriors that were going to the mat for his policy and our freedoms. They have suffered the most.

I won't go into tax breaks for Big Oil - that don't need it while gouging at the pumps. I won't go into the memos on tourture. Or Tax Breaks for the ueber - wealthy. Or lack of a real energy policy that gives us technological growth and foreign policy freedom, or realiastic view on the environment (google the article on how the last 5 heads of EPA, Dem and Repub, are saying how he is effing up by the numbers).

I won't go into financing government debt by China. We've had our nuts in a vise with the Middle East due to our feeding at the hand of Saudi Oil and in addition, now we have our Foreign Policy nuts in a vice with China because they own so much of our debt.

And I need to support this guy? Bull Scheize! I ain't voting for Hillary - I can tell you that, but I thank God their are only two terms allowed. I feel sorry for the one that needs to clean up the mess....


Sorry for the Rant...

[RIJIMMY]

That was a good rant John!

[Springtides]

but it is the best one there is. I missed the speech but was attending a rally for a candidate who will hopefully help change the majority makeup of the US Senate. That in my opinion will help. Checks and Balances.....

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Jawohl herr Feldwebbel....

OK Skip, I won't go into the balance for or not for going into war but how about the prosecution of the war and the time period leading to it?

How about when going to war was a "last resort"? BS, it was not a last resort, it was GO IN NOW as the time for a land based mobile campaign to Baghdad was EXPIRING for at least 6 months. It was a time table that if you were going to do it you had to and if not you were on a 6 month to 12 month (actually 10-11 month initially) interval for when a land campaign was most feasible.

How about when the Army Chief of Staff says you will need HUNDREDS of thousands of US personel to secure a postwar Iraq? A PROFESSIONAL soldier, in charge of the army, being overruled by the political appointies and poli-theorists. Or ignoring and not consulting with the senior Army leadership from Bosnia/Serb canpaings/peacekeeping, or General Garner from his experience with the Kurds after GW1? Or the countless other people - professionals - that disagreed with the administration on how to prosecute the war and prosecute the peace. IMO, Bush (and clan) is a war criminal in that he let DOWN his warriors that were going to the mat for his policy and our freedoms. They have suffered the most.

I won't go into tax breaks for Big Oil - that don't need it while gouging at the pumps. I won't go into the memos on tourture. Or Tax Breaks for the ueber - wealthy. Or lack of a real energy policy that gives us technological growth and foreign policy freedom, or realiastic view on the environment (google the article on how the last 5 heads of EPA, Dem and Repub, are saying how he is effing up by the numbers).

I won't go into financing government debt by China. We've had our nuts in a vise with the Middle East due to our feeding at the hand of Saudi Oil and in addition, now we have our Foreign Policy nuts in a vice with China because they own so much of our debt.

And I need to support this guy? Bull Scheize! I ain't voting for Hillary - I can tell you that, but I thank God their are only two terms allowed. I feel sorry for the one that needs to clean up the mess....


Sorry for the Rant...

Bush is a war criminal huh? You just showed your true colors with that comment. You're no different than Cindy Sheehan with that kind of talk. Thats shameful. Hitler,Saddam and those a-holes are War crimminals my friend. Your gonna sit there and tell me Bush sould be lumped in with those murderers??? I have zero respect for you with that comment John. Sorry but thats pathetic. Your entitled your opinion but to go to the war criminal card is pathetic and you know it.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Bush is a war criminal huh? You just showed your true colors with that comment. You're no different than Cindy Sheehan with that kind of talk. Thats shameful. Hitler,Saddam and those a-holes are War crimminals my friend. Your gonna sit there and tell me Bush sould be lumped in with those murderers??? I have zero respect for you with that comment John. Sorry but thats pathetic. Your entitled your opinion but to go to the war criminal card is pathetic and you know it.

Skippy, read his rant again...

Oh and He's right BTW.

-spence

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Bush is a war criminal huh? You just showed your true colors with that comment. You're no different than Cindy Sheehan with that kind of talk. Thats shameful. Hitler,Saddam and those a-holes are War crimminals my friend. Your gonna sit there and tell me Bush sould be lumped in with those murderers??? I have zero respect for you with that comment John. Sorry but thats pathetic. Your entitled your opinion but to go to the war criminal card is pathetic and you know it.

I'm sorry if you have zero respect for me and while I wouldn't mind sitting down over a beer or wetting a line, I'm not a fan of your dependent thinking at times.
Bush a true war criminal? IN the sense of Hitler, Milosovich, Saddam and those guys? Abosolutely not. That was a poor choice of words for me (I'm no wordsmith, I guess I'm in good company, but I don't have speechwiters). What I should have said is that the Bush Administration is "criminally negligent" with respect of OUR warriors in the prosecution of the IRAQ war - how's that? In my opinion, and probably the better way I should have written it, I put him inline with the folks that managed the Vietnam war, politically pulling military strings. The lessons learned from Vietnam were supposed to limit or prevent political bungling and mis-support and under-support of our troops. THAT is what pisses me off most with this administration. Trying to do the war on the cheap and believing a model of hugs & kisses liberation has cost a lot of lives. It's the mismanagement that gets me. Maybe I am naieve in my thinking that the government would learn from its mistakes but I remember some of the mantra of the military in the 80s and 90s training to do the job right and asking (praying) the civilian leadership would do the right thing too. Regan had some, Bush #I seemed to get it, Clinton was even money but this current group, I just don't know... I have a hard time thinking that a John McCain administration or someone similar and more of a leader than this guy would assemble a comparable "team" and make similar mistakes. I wish the bumper stickers read "So glad I voted for McCain". I think our country would be in a much better position in the world than it is today.

That is my opinion, not that he is a war criminal in the sense of a Sadaam (who did need to go) or a Hitler. You want to see what Sadaam, Milosovic, Hitler people are, go to places like Dachau - I've been there and seen it and it is abhorrent. So poor choice of words on my part to say what I'm trying to say.



Cindy Sheehan I am not. I did not lose a relative, especially a son in this war and nor do I think she is smart hanging out with Che G ver 2. Or that her politics are rational in many cases. I feel very sorry in that she has lost her son in the service of our country. She has every right to speek out and she can run for political office or whatever she is talking about, I still wouldn't vote for her...