Here it comes........

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

A key belief among neoconservatives is that:

1. American values are universal (very Wilsonian)
2. As the World super power, it's the duty of the USA to spread democracy by removing tyrants and despotic regiemes
3. The pre-emptive use of force is justified to solve these problems

So to the neocon's, oppressed people want us to use force if it will bring them freedom, and as Americans it's our duty to do so!

Unfortunately, it's not a very worldly viewpoint and has led to the absurd and reckless assumptions and manipulation that have screwed everything up.

-spence

Categorizing anyone who who does not embrace the Liberal agenda as "NeoCons" who adhere to these "key beliefs" is just one of the countless reasons why a Liberal cant be elected to the Presidency. Keep up the good work for the GOP.

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Categorizing anyone who who does not embrace the Liberal agenda as "NeoCons" who adhere to these "key beliefs" is just one of the countless reasons why a Liberal cant be elected to the Presidency. Keep up the good work for the GOP.

I didn't catagorize anybody, but if the shoe fits...

-spence

[mekcotuit]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Categorizing anyone who who does not embrace the Liberal agenda as "NeoCons" who adhere to these "key beliefs" is just one of the countless reasons why a Liberal cant be elected to the Presidency. Keep up the good work for the GOP.

I don't think Spence is labelling all conservatives or Republicans as neocons. Neocon is different animal: Cheney family, Kristol family, Paul Wolfowitz, Norman Podhoretz, Elliot Abrams, Robert Kagan, Richard Perle, Doug Feith- the foreign policy makers in the Bush admin.

from: http://alternet.org/story/15481/"Contrary to appearances, the neoconservatives do not represent a political movement, but a small, exclusive club with incestuous familial and personal connections. Neoconservatives are former liberals (which explains the "neo" prefix) who advocate an aggressive unilateralist vision of U.S. global supremacy, which includes a close strategic alliance with Israel. "

[spence]

I don't think the "former liberal" description is that accurate, though I've seen it thrown around.

For sure some of the "early" neoconservative thinkers were former socialists, but the current crop were more intellectual conservatives that rejected the liberalisim of the Vietnam war.

Funny thing is that so many Goldwater and Reagan conservatives (including perhaps Bush 43) are just now realizing that they've been duped into aligning themselves with the neoconservatives simply because they saw liberal democrats as the only other alternative.

There is a tremendous number of disenfranchised moderates out there looking for leadership.

-spence

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

There is a tremendous number of disenfranchised moderates out there looking for leadership.

Yup.... But if I could rephrase your phrase to "There is a tremendous number of disenfranchised Americans out there looking for new Leadership for the future of America."

[spence]

On that I would agree

-spence

[Backbeach Jake]

That's pretty much it in the nutshell, Boss. Sometimes, it seems no one is at the wheel. Other times, those who are seem intoxicated. I have a real hard time feeling optimistic about this Country's future.

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

That's pretty much it in the nutshell, Boss. Sometimes, it seems no one is at the wheel. Other times, those who are seem intoxicated. I have a real hard time feeling optimistic about this Country's future.

The only reason I am optimistic is because of how many people fit into JohnR's description of a what is becoming a larger and larger number of people in this country. All we need is someone with the ability to truly lead and inspire the nation again, in a way that doesn't alienate so many people on both sides of the middle.

Someone needs to step up and run with a platform like this. Not an extreme liberal or conservative, just logical leadership with an eye towards the future growth, strength, and health of America as well as a better global perspective of how our actions worldwide effect us here at home both in the near future and long term.

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Yup.... But if I could rephrase your phrase to "There is a tremendous number of disenfranchised Americans out there looking for new Leadership for the future of America."