Israel and World War Three

[clambelly]

the two sides have been fighting since before the birth of Christ.
however...the UN and the EU almost always lay the blame for these things right in the lap of Isreal. its like being an older brother and having a little brother who is always causing trouble. you smack the kid down when he's doing something wrong and mom and dad tell you that its your fault for hitting him. puhlease...the terrorist groups are enabled by the left and their sympathic view points towards them, and their blantent hatred for Isreal.

in case anyone hasn't noticed, Europe is a pretty anti-semetic place these days.

[spence]

Originally Posted by clambelly

...the terrorist groups are enabled by the left and their sympathic view points towards them, and their blantent hatred for Isreal.

Which doesn't exactly explain why the vast majority of Jews traditionally vote Democratic now does it?

-spence

[Skitterpop]

Rockhoppingmike using different sign on names

[clambelly]

US vetoes UN resolution urging end to Israeli attacks in Gaza
Jul 13 3:50 PM US/Eastern


The United States vetoed a UN draft resolution that would have called for an end to Israeli attacks and "disproportionate use of force" in the Gaza Strip as well as for the release of a kidnapped Israeli soldier.

The Security Council resolution received 10 votes, one against from the United States with four abstentions, French Ambassador Jean-Marc de la Sabliere, the council president for July, announced.



Explaining his negative vote, US Ambassador John Bolton described the text as "unbalanced" and was "not only untimely but also outmoded" because of the attacks against Israel by Lebanese Hezbollah militants and UN chief Kofi Annan's decision to send a crisis team to the region.

He said adoption of the resolution would have exacerbated tensions in the region and would have undermined "our vision of two democratic states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security."

The United States, Israel's staunchest ally, last used its veto in the Security Council in October 2004, to block a similar draft demanding that Israel end all military operations in northern Gaza and withdraw from the area.

hmm...seems i said something to this effect a little earlier today...

Originally Posted by clambelly

the UN and the EU almost always lay the blame for these things right in the lap of Isreal. its like being an older brother and having a little brother who is always causing trouble. you smack the kid down when he's doing something wrong and mom and dad tell you that its your fault for hitting him.

[spence]

Originally Posted by clambelly

hmm...seems i said something to this effect a little earlier today...

Not really, the resolution is saying that Israel's actions are potentially reckless and may cause unecessary instability...not that they are entirely to blame for the situation.

Regardless, the US needs to step in here and show some leadership. Freaking planet is going to hell in a handbasket and Bush is running blind

-spence

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[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

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Regardless, the US needs to step in here and show some leadership. Freaking planet is going to hell in a handbasket and Bush is running blind

-spence

Spence, isnt that what you constantly refer to as US "meddling"?

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Spence, isnt that what you constantly refer to as US "meddling"?

No. Open diplomacy isn't the same as aiding anti-communist coups or proping up sympathetic and brutal regimes.

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Not really, the resolution is saying that Israel's actions are potentially reckless and may cause unecessary instability...not that they are entirely to blame for the situation.

Regardless, the US needs to step in here and show some leadership. Freaking planet is going to hell in a handbasket and Bush is running blind

-spence

Souinds like ad hominem fragments and regurgitated partisan whackery.

[Skitterpop]

Most of this thread is not discussion but oneupmanship and personal attacks....myself included


I have never wondered why different countries with different religions or politics could`nt get along....seeing how most families cannot attain a sensible peace on such a lesser scale.
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If this conflict in the Middle East gets to where Iran and Syria are actively involved that will be a hurricane of destruction.

[Bronko]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Most of this thread is not discussion but oneupmanship and personal attacks....myself included


I have never wondered why different countries with different religions or politics could`nt get along....seeing how most families cannot attain a sensible peace on such a lesser scale.
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If this conflict in the Middle East gets to where Iran and Syria are actively involved that will be a hurricane of destruction.

I know my posts are most DEFINITELY not personal. I am an independent conservative. I am having beers tonight with a Bush supporter and two raging democratic liberals... I like nothing more than debating and the free flow of ideas. I generally do less of it during the fishing season, but sometimes with hot-button issues I can't resist. Spence's posts are always well though out and insightful, the guy knows his stuff. He is clearly wrong.... but intelligent and eloquent nonetheless.

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by Bronko

Spence's posts are always well thought out and insightful, the guy knows his stuff. He is clearly right but I`ll be damned if I will agree with him.... he is also very well dressed, intelligent, and eloquent.

I`m glad you said that

[spence]

Originally Posted by Bronko

Spence's posts are always well though out and insightful, the guy knows his stuff. He is clearly wrong.... but intelligent and eloquent nonetheless.

To be honest I think you're taking the easy road and applying lame stereotypes to my positions where they don't belong. Clearly from your posts you don't understand where I sit.

There really are few pure liberal vs conservative arguments, it's all very nuanced. The pathetic level of debate in this country is causing people to ignore the nuance and apply black and white rules to very complex problems. This doesn't work in business, and it shouldn't be tolerated in politics, at least not if we want an effective government.

Would you think it fair if I labeled you a greedy authoritarian warmonger simply because you supported the Administration and the war in Iraq?

-spence