Israel and World War Three

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by likwid

And what a few billion a year from the US can do for you.

Likwid.... no one supported them years ago except themselves and they survived and thrived

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Likwid.... no one supported them years ago except themselves and they survived and thrived

mmmmmmmmmmmm.....no

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by likwid

mmmmmmmmmmmm.....no

Wrong...back later

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Likwid.... no one supported them years ago except themselves and they survived and thrived

If my memory of the history is right, we didn't even provide much if any aid in the '47 war. Israel was able to defend herself just fine by smuggling arms through Eastern Europe, and fighting like hell.

Remember as well that a lot of the "billions" people talk about was part of a joint settlement with Egypt, and we have been throwing them money as well.

In a way I think we've done Israel a great disservice by protecting them from UN condemnation over the years...it's created a tremendous amount of animosity towards both the US and Israel, contributed greatly to 9/11 and has prevented, I believe, Israel from gaining needed legitimacy in the region.

Instead of being seen as strong when they indeed have been very strong, they are seen as a protected son who can do no wrong...

-spence

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Likwid.... no one supported them years ago except themselves and they survived and thrived

Actually--before the demographics of France changed and it became about 20% Muslim, they got a lot of military aid from France. Their entire Air Force was made up of Mirages up until the 1967 war.

And in 1956, there is some pretty convincing evidence that both French and British fighter pilots flew clandestinely for the IDF.

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by Mike P

Actually--before the demographics of France changed and it became about 20% Muslim, they got a lot of military aid from France. Their entire Air Force was made up of Mirages up until the 1967 war.

And in 1956, there is some pretty convincing evidence that both French and British fighter pilots flew clandestinely for the IDF.

The British actually fought against them in 48 and for some years afterward....they really did much on there own with brilliant strategy and underground training of the special night forces...and of course they had to import weapons but the UN turned their backs on them when they were faced with multi Arabic armies. Loads of $$$$$$$$$$ did`nt hurt either....but strategy was key and their heart.

[Mike P]

The Brits changed their tune when Nasser overthrew King Farouk of Egypt and started making noises about closing down the Suez Canal to British shipping, and nationalizing BP's oil wells. In fact, it was his shutting down the Suez Canal in the 1956 war that sparked the alleged clandestine British intervention. There are photographs and newsreel footage of Mirage fighter jets sporting strange cross-shaped markings, instead of the Star of David. That's what led to the speculation that they were being flown by British and French pilots and not Israelis.

[Skitterpop]

Mike.... you smart bastage

Interesting with all the behind the scenes assistance and non assistance how we reached today....

[Skitterpop]

Oh my god....


BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- The Bush administration is waiving the requirement that Americans have to pay or reimburse the government for being evacuated from Lebanon, aides to two senators said.

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Yea, but they'll get 'em with the 25 dollar charge to upgrade to an aisle seat

-spence

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Oh my god....


BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- The Bush administration is waiving the requirement that Americans have to pay or reimburse the government for being evacuated from Lebanon, aides to two senators said.

I'm mixed on this. I dont think we should say to the US citizens in Lebanon, that yeah we'll rescue you, but only if you pay $2000! (or whatever the price tag is) or hit em up with a a large bill after the fact. The US should'nt charge its citizens in a time when they need help. Its like sending a huge bill to the people rescued during Katrina.

The other side of me says, WTF are Americans doing in Lebanon anyway!? Dont these folks know the middle east is prob not the best place to be now adays!? So part of me says, hey you guys arent that bright for hanging out in countries that have terroist groups roaming the streets!

[MakoMike]

Personally I don't see what the problem is in charging them, they were going to have to pay commercial airfare to come home anyway. Now I wouldn't charge them commercial rates, but enough to cover the cost of the fuel would seem appropriate.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

The other side of me says, WTF are Americans doing in Lebanon anyway!? Dont these folks know the middle east is prob not the best place to be now adays!?

Skippy,

1. There were a lot of Lebanese Christians who fled civil war in the 1970's that came to the United States. Not only is there a cultural tie, but there are many family ties as well.

2. Lebanon is pretty modern and Beirut is considered to be one of the more cosmopolitan cities in the region. For the most part it's quite Western and has a large tourisim industry.

3. And perhaps most importantly...the single best thing we can to do combat terrorisim in the long run is to encourage the free exchange of business and ideas with other nations.

A strong collaborative relationship with Lebanon is critical to the future of the weak democracy that exists today.

We can't collaborate if we're not there...

-spence

[Backbeach Jake]

Originally Posted by Skip N

I'm mixed on this. I dont think we should say to the US citizens in Lebanon, that yeah we'll rescue you, but only if you pay $2000! (or whatever the price tag is) or hit em up with a a large bill after the fact. The US should'nt charge its citizens in a time when they need help. Its like sending a huge bill to the people rescued during Katrina.

The other side of me says, WTF are Americans doing in Lebanon anyway!? Dont these folks know the middle east is prob not the best place to be now adays!? So part of me says, hey you guys arent that bright for hanging out in countries that have terroist groups roaming the streets!

The news tonight had this astounding factoid: There are 25,000 Americans in Lebanon! 25,000! What's the attraction there?

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

The news tonight had this astounding factoid: There are 25,000 Americans in Lebanon! 25,000! What's the attraction there?

Pita bread

[Swimmer]

I am sure the marines would look forward to being deployed in Beruit again Spence if we re-establish a working relationship with Lebonon.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

I am sure the marines would look forward to being deployed in Beruit again Spence if we re-establish a working relationship with Lebonon.

Hey, I know and work with guys that were deployed back then

Fact of the matter, you're comparing apples and oranges.

-spence

[Swimmer]

Of those twenty-five thousand americans. Most were born in Lebanon and are naturalized here. A small portion are probably students at Amercian University there. The rest are people born in America that work there for banks and the cia and stuff.

[stormfish]

25,000 x 2000 = $50,000,000

What does 50,000,000 pay for in the war?

[Skitterpop]

bounty on a couple of major Hezbollah players?

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

Of those twenty-five thousand americans. Most were born in Lebanon and are naturalized here. A small portion are probably students at Amercian University there. The rest are people born in America that work there for banks and the cia and stuff.

Why on earth would an American family allow thier child to go study in Lebanon???

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Why on earth would an American family allow thier child to go study in Lebanon???

Because they are Lebanese?

[Skitterpop]

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[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Because they are Lebanese?

Nope, because thier are well known terroists groups in Lebanon!

If you wanna send your kid there go right ahead

[Skitterpop]

Hezbollah leader scoffs at Israeli offensive

Nasrallah: Militant group 'will deliver surprises that it promises'


Thursday, July 20, 2006; Posted: 6:49 p.m. EDT (22:49 GMT)

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What I find simply incredible is how people condone this over use of force when history has proven again and again that groups like Hezbolla are like a video game character who gets stronger each time you hit it.

Unless you can remove it's head, more innovative measures are required.

But it's gonna get much worse. From most accounts the charade of a more stable Iraq is falling apart even among the diehard Bush supporters. The civilian deaths and sectarian violence is rising at an alarming rate.

Rumor is even some GOP Congresspeople are starting to sing the Murtha tune...and you ain't gonna be able to call them liberal defeatists.

-spence

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by spence

Unless you can remove it's head, more innovative measures are required.

-spence

This brings us to one major component of World War Three which I feel has been ongoing now for some years. The head being all Muslims who advocate Jihad for Israel, The United States, all our allies, and any nation or people who oppose them. Its really overwhelming.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

This brings us to one major component of World War Three which I feel has been ongoing now for some years. The head being all Muslims who advocate Jihad for Israel, The United States, all our allies, and any nation or people who oppose them. Its really overwhelming.

Radical Islam is the #1 threat in the world today. Please tell me we can all agree on this at least!