lucky, i was on the vineyard
thanks for the replys guys, i do all of the above on a fish to fish basis. I use circles but have missed fish with them in the past, this year i was doing well, i had only missed 1 fish and gut hooked one, which was a 28 lber, which fed me and friends. I thought i had the method down until the other night.

oke: I guess I'm always learning something new in the surf. practice makes perfect right? looks like ill be fishing every night until i finally get it right.
