New Gibbs lures

[JHABS]

More to it than meets the eye though.[/QUOTE] ..........................You got that right Flap...................

[NIB]

U know what flap ur defense of Gibbs crap don't hold water anymore sorry.IT IS NO LONGER STANS COMPANY.
The pencils r Crap.Fishem for a 1/2 hr an they no longer work.soak up water like a sponge.U gotta buy 3 or 4 an rotate thru em then hang em in front of he dehumidifier to use em the next day.needed pencils this spring had to go to em.first thing I do is cut the wire an rewire em wit spro swivels.Cause i had fish just rip thier swivels apart. I have seen some other amazing stuff.like the wire ripped thru the plug.I use a harder wire that don't bend over when a 3 oz plug bounces on a rock.
Throw away the joke of a hook MUSTAD an use a 6x 4/0 front an a 5/0 rear VMC;'s.then I could fish em with confidence.Nice for a plug that cost 18 bucks.
Thats why a got a few habs for the smaller stuff.An 10 from Mac.plus the ones I make myself over the winter I should be alright.That is i won't have to use the CRAP.FROM GIBBS.

[DaveS]

One day back in July I bought 3 Gibbs Pencils and like NIB, I had to get em cuz I needed em. Anywayz, by the end of the day only 1 was left fishable with 2 of them destroyed, cracked from tail to nose. Lesson learned eh? Never again will I buy Gibbs lures when for 2 or 3 bucks more I can get Mac's, Habs, Saltys, whoevers, and fish em right outa the package with confidence. Gibbs has gone down the toilet as far as quality is concerned.

[jim sylvester]

i think its a HUGE compliment to habs for a company like that to duplicate the style.....reason being quite simply..because HABS plugs catches BIG fish

[DaveS]

Originally Posted by jim sylvester

i think its a HUGE compliment to habs for a company like that to duplicate the style.....reason being quite simply..because HABS plugs catches BIG fish

May look like a HABS but it aint. I remember my granfather telling me years ago that, " David,you can take $300 french perfume and sprinkle it all over a pile of ****, and while it may smell better, it's still a pile of ****"

[jim sylvester]

Originally Posted by DaveS

May look like a HABS but it aint. I remember my granfather telling me years ago that, " David,you can take $300 french perfume and sprinkle it all over a pile of ****, and while it may smell better, it's still a pile of ****"

dave,
understood that

when I was over the habratory and John told me about what was happening..I couldn't believe it... think they had it at the show...is that right habs

there is NOTHING that compared to a habs....

[capesams]

I'll stay in the middle on this only cause I see copying going on both sides an other's doing the same thing [comm. builder's].. I do get a laugh out of the wiring thing though.....the wire in gibb;s hasn't changed in 50 year's,same stuff..but never heard boo from the old beach gang as to how it did or didn't hold up....and you may as well started on beachmaster too cause it;s the same wire he uses.Gibbs only needs to start sealing their plug's and maybe change the swivels and they'd be back to being at the top as they once were.I also see all this xxx an xxxx hardware an think it's only a market ploy..stop an look at all the old plug's an you'd think a chipmunk could destroy that,,but yet it all survived with all the 50-60-70lb fish and very few got away.....everyone has their .02 worth on thing's and complain about other's crap, but we're all guilty on one count{ we've all copied from those who came before us}

[NIB]

Originally Posted by capesams

I'll stay in the middle on this only cause I see copying going on both sides an other's doing the same thing [comm. builder's].. I do get a laugh out of the wiring thing though.....the wire in gibb;s hasn't changed in 50 year's,same stuff..but never heard boo from the old beach gang as to how it did or didn't hold up....and you may as well started on beachmaster too cause it;s the same wire he uses.Gibbs only needs to start sealing their plug's and maybe change the swivels and they'd be back to being at the top as they once were.I also see all this xxx an xxxx hardware an think it's only a market ploy..stop an look at all the old plug's an you'd think a chipmunk could destroy that,,but yet it all survived with all the 50-60-70lb fish and very few got away.....everyone has their .02 worth on thing's and complain about other's crap, but we're all guilty on one count{ we've all copied from those who came before us}

It's not the same wire in BM.The wire is thinner an softer.Way softer.
The swivels are a joke.Not sure what happened but a few yrs ago they just started failing.Maybe the same reason the Hooks are garbage.Musso saw the difference 3 yrs ago an changed out to spro's.With today's no strech braid u need tougher hardware.It is NOT a PLOY.Yrs ago the hooks where better AND guys mostly used soft action glass rods with MONO.I am not making this stuff up I have seen it happen an had it happen to me.Of course we copy STAN's design's He was the Best a true Pioneer.What new design has the new regieme of gibbs come up with the 3 oz Darter.what a joke.Here's a thought.Go Back 35 yrs.
What do u think Stan Would say..I could just see him when the hooks on a Polaris straighten out.Then they sink after a 1/2 hr.He wouldn't use there crap.He would have to buy bigger dumpsters.

[Flaptail]

Originally Posted by NIB

It's not the same wire in BM.The wire is thinner an softer.Way softer.
The swivels are a joke.Not sure what happened but a few yrs ago they just started failing.Maybe the same reason the Hooks are garbage.Musso saw the difference 3 yrs ago an changed out to spro's.With today's no strech braid u need tougher hardware.It is NOT a PLOY.Yrs ago the hooks where better AND guys mostly used soft action glass rods with MONO.I am not making this stuff up I have seen it happen an had it happen to me.Of course we copy STAN's design's He was the Best a true Pioneer.What new design has the new regieme of gibbs come up with the 3 oz Darter.what a joke.Here's a thought.Go Back 35 yrs.
What do u think Stan Would say..I could just see him when the hooks on a Polaris straighten out.Then they sink after a 1/2 hr.He wouldn't use there crap.He would have to buy bigger dumpsters.

Tony I luv ya but without knowing the whole story your tirade here is way out of line. Gibbs makes a goog plug so does John but if we want to speak the truth here then so be it. Gibbs has on hand about between 9 and 10 thousand plugs in stock at all times. Done and ready for shipment, Someone else does not and can't ship regurlarly when customers demand needles and such, he is always up against the wall. He works 80 hours a week and is still behind and needs to hire competent help to help him out or he is gonna burn out fast and I think he is halfway there. I would hate to see that happen as that would be the end of HABS PLUGS!He makes an awesome plug and decidedly has the needlefish market in his grasp but if shops can't get them then what are they to do? VMC CANNOT SHIP in the numbers and with the reliability that Mustad, who is made in the USA still, can, Never has been able too and thats a fact, very fragmented. Shop owners will tell you the same.

Gibbs uses the same wire supplier that stan did and uses sugar pine at 8% moisture content and no knots which is very expensive. The Gibbs guys bought and run the company so that it would not go out of business, they will tell you that.

And lastly if you can come up with a truely "original" design in a plug these days I will blow you on YOUR town hall steps in NJ! It's all been done before and there ain't one plug maker out there that doesn't have problems in production or quality or components in way way shape or form. Reality what a concept heh?

[Rob Rockcrawler]

I have a gibbs pencil thats bout 5 years old and it is has caught more fish than anything else in the box. Its been repainted and rigged up too many times. I spray it with epoxy a few times a year just to try and keep it floating. HAvent had it fail yet, maybe i got a good one. I finally bought a replacement a couple weeks ago at mikes. HAvent used it yet. IT was the fist gibbs i have bought since i got the lucky pencil. There is no doubt that they cant hold a candle to AH, HAbs, etc., in quality. But man that plug catches fish, its a confidence thing. If i lose that old pice of repainted, semi floating wood i will prolly have a moment of silence for her. Might not even throw the replacement out of respect.