Interesting read on the War in Iraq

[spence]

Good lord, this sounds like an al Qaeda recruiting message.

It's amazing how those who proclaim liberals to be whimps are the first to turn poodle to Osama and lay down our freedoms.

You can score another win for Bin Laden.

-spence

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by spence

Good lord, this sounds like an al Qaeda recruiting message.

It's amazing how those who proclaim liberals to be whimps are the first to turn poodle to Osama and lay down our freedoms.

You can score another win for Bin Laden.

-spence

You my friend are a troublemaker We might be related

ps. I signed you up for the Marines

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Good lord, this sounds like an al Qaeda recruiting message.

It's amazing how those who proclaim liberals to be whimps are the first to turn poodle to Osama and lay down our freedoms.

You can score another win for Bin Laden.

-spence

Some people are not afraid to target and offend the speciific group that is targeting us and some people are afraid. And if you are one of those afraid to offend I guess wimp could be an accurate description. By insisting that our Government target the specific demographic that wishes us harm for additional security srutiny I am forsaking Freedom? Ridiculous argument. Talk apout a pre-9/11 mentality. You actually believe Bin-Laden thinks that by us Targeting his Terrorist minions he has won a victory? Pure old fashioned common sense tells us that Bin Ladens victory comes at the point that a portion of the American people would fight to protect his group from the additional scrutiny that would prevent them from applying their trade. I'm sure he is grateful to you, but he still wants you dead.

[stormfish]

Basically the US government bit more than it can chew. The war on Iraq is wrong to begin with. During the spur of 9/11, it seemed like the right thing to do, but at this point it is clear on how we approached the situation was 'Naive'. If we wanted to protect ourselves from terrorisim, why not spend more on homeland security than going into war and esculating the situation at the source.

Now we have the next generation of Arabs raised to hate the US because we screwed up their country, government and killed people without sympathy. The U.S. Goverment is refusing to admit defeat or failure in their Middle east affairs, so let's try to rebuild what our goverment broke. No matter what we do in future plans, this war will be labeled as the U.S.' biggest failure.

Our policy on the 'War on Terror' seems have influence Isreal's policies and tactics. It looks like Isreal's 'Might' in the Middle East causes concern for countries like Iran and Syria who need to buff up inorder to compete with such brutal strength. Wait a minute, Isreal are our allies and we provide them with bombs and F-16s. That would mean we will be drag into Isreals affairs pending on circumstances. Would love to discuss more on the brewing of WWIII but, I believe it's the wrong thread. oke:

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Some people are not afraid to target and offend the speciific group that is targeting us and some people are afraid.

The specific group we're targeting just happens to not be Arabs or Muslims but people who behave like TERRORISTS...

Keep feeding Bin Laden more PR to incite the masses why don't ya...the job is hard enough as it is.

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

The specific group we're targeting just happens to not be Arabs or Muslims but people who behave like TERRORISTS...

Keep feeding Bin Laden more PR to incite the masses why don't ya...the job is hard enough as it is.

-spence

Please explain how Terrorists behave then we can easily pick them out of the crowd and all our troubles will disappear. And if I am inciting or in any way upsetting Terrorists please forgive me.

[Skip N]

How do we tell who is a terroist and who isnt? You don't think these thugs are trained to be calm as they go about doing thier thing? They blend right in with the crowd, thats what makes them so deadly. This is why we need to give middle eastern folks a little more screening, we cant tell the good from the bad.

Spence, if profiling turned out to be the best way to prevent future attacks, and we knew it would work, would you still oppose it? Even if it meant saving a jetliner, with a few hundred people on board from going down?

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Please explain how Terrorists behave then we can easily pick them out of the crowd and all our troubles will disappear. And if I am inciting or in any way upsetting Terrorists please forgive me.

Listen to any expert and they can give dozens of legally observed indicators that will provide a profile that's threatening (such as travel behavior, relationships etc...).

Terrorists can come from all walks of life. 1/3 of the Muslims in this country are black by the way...should we be stopping all black people as well?

It simply makes no sense in practice...oh, it's also racist.

Skipper, the real experts aren't usually the ones calling for racial profiling, it's more often the political right-wingers and social conservatives (i.e. Pat Robertson) using race and religion to incite fear in the masses. Perhaps some of these people think the Crusades are still going on...

And yes, this does play directly into Bin Laden's plans.

The more you demonize or defame all Muslims, the more you create sympathy among moderate Islam for the same political causes terrorists leverage as justification for their heinous actions.

We have a generation of Americans being told that Islam is the problem, which is a very weak argument when you think about it...the other side can simply say that we're the problem.

If you're trying to set up the End of Ages and a fight for the planet than this type of rhetoric may make sense. But if our goal is innovation and economic growth in a global economy it's quite counter productive to the American way of life.

And please save the "pre 9/11" mindset for the #^&#^&#^&#^& Cheney sound bites...the man holds the US Constitution in about as high of regard as a roll of Charmin (2 ply).

More rhetoric intended to divide Americans for political gain...and another win for the enemy.

-spence