clammer and others, John first set these up for the plug guys, so that is why there is plugs all over it. I guess maybe he should have first posted the question in the plug forum so as not to get so much criticism

sorry to bring it back up John, just thought maybe they could be ready by plugfest 2007 since nothing happened in 06, I realize you put alot of thought into these and it's appreciated. thanks
Joe, very sorry for your loss
