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01-07-2007, 12:16 PM
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Been many moons
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Aquidneck Island
Posts: 400
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1. Effectiveness:
eels
2. Skill Level
plugs- I like the idea of not using the fishes natural food. Then your just feeding them. Of course they are going to eat a juicy eel. But tricking them into thinking your lure shaped like some driftwood is food takes skill.
3. Fun
plugs
4. Catch and Release
Id say its a close call. Plugs can certainly do a lot of damage. Especially when you have 3 4/0 trebles dangling around. And eels can easily slide down into the throat or belly, get lodged in there, and that fish is as good as dead.
5. Cost
Eels, are more expensive. If I took all the bluefish I caught on plugs, it would be alot of money down the drain. When I can reuse a plug for life.
6.Which is closer to being wiped out completely?
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01-07-2007, 01:54 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Newport, RI
Posts: 2,316
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1. Effectiveness:
I look at it as using the right tool for the job as anything else.
Sometimes you just can't get where you need to go with an eel.
If the wind is 20 knots in your face and the structure the fish hold on is too far away to put the eel where it needs to be, the eel isn't going to have a chance to even compete with a plug.
Whatever gets the job done is what I use. Where you fish obviously effects how far you need to cast. This is part of the reason I haven't used eels much in recent years.
2. Skill level:
Eels are bait and bass love them. It's basically feeding the fish (most of the time). Not that I don't respect an eel, bunker, or herring caught fish, and not that there isn't some skill to fishing eels well, but it's different. A live, wriggling eel, or a hunk of hard plastic or wood. If you're a fish, which do you choose? Nuff said.
3. Fun:
I love that "thump" of a well hit eel. But a giant bass having it's way with a topwater offering is awfully tough to beat.
4. Catch and release:
Real tough one to analyze. Fish rarely swallow a plug into their stomach, but plugs sometimes do some serious damage too.
5. Cost:
If you don't lose a lot of plugs, eels almost have to be more expensive. I haven't fished eels as much as I have in the past because the bluefish have been so miserable in the spots I fish, and they definitely increase the cost of eel fishing.
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01-07-2007, 02:33 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: North Shore
Posts: 1,701
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IN almost all of these questions/scenarios - there is never one right answer, although percentages are higher on each one ...
1) effectiveness - bait is always more effective than plastic and or wood -- but Pete has a very strong point in that there are times when a plug will outdoo bait depending upon the conditions.
2) Skill - bait fishing sounds easy, but if you really want to score consistently on bigger fish, even bait fishing takes skill - don't overestimate the skill needed to score big and frequently ... that aside, yes there is more skill involved with using an artificial product and enticing a fish to eat ... especially a big fish - fish up to 20 pounds are much easier to catch than larger fish on plugs, and anyone who scores consistently with that method has a lot of skill, I tip my hat to them ...
3) Fun - They both have thier advantages, but what's more memorable than a big fish exploding on a plug in the pre-dawn hours ... and fishing plugs period is fun in and of itself ...so I'd have to give thumbs up to the plugs.
4) Don't remember what this is about, but let's say plugs ... just for the fun of it ...
5) Cost - again, no straight answer - say you buy a dozen snakes for $2 each, you tote them around, fish one or two in the evening but never get a hit -- that's $24 wasted ... but a lot of these custom plugs are $20+ each, so if you have a bag of 20 on you, that's $400 bucks ... can you fish them for years, yes ... but there have been days over the years when I've lost two or three $20 plugs during a fishing trip for one reason or another ... fish takes me down around a rock and cuts the line on barnacles, god forbid a knot gives out (yes it happens), or you snag on a rock in the dark and cannot work it out ... So that's a lot of dough as well.
Ultimately, I will try to use the best bait/lure at any given time for the particular situation that I am fishing ... happy to use both, just have much more in the way of plugs right now ... but grew up fishing live bunker/pogies and mackerel as the primary means for scoring a lot of fish and some good sized ones at that.
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01-07-2007, 02:46 PM
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Oblivious // Grunt, Grunt Master
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: over the hill
Posts: 6,682
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Sort of a worm vs dryfly argument, or shiner vs spinnerbait debate, everything is relative. Catching equivalent numbers and size of fish with artificals is more difficult than using bait. So what? Catching big fish with bait isn't easy either, and obviously the guys who do it regularly have developed a specialized body of knowledge that is every bit as admirable as that of a guy who is successful with plugs.
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01-07-2007, 06:01 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Uh, in a spot....
Posts: 5,451
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Quote:
Originally Posted by numbskull
Sort of a worm vs dryfly argument, or shiner vs spinnerbait debate, everything is relative. Catching equivalent numbers and size of fish with artificals is more difficult than using bait. So what? Catching big fish with bait isn't easy either, and obviously the guys who do it regularly have developed a specialized body of knowledge that is every bit as admirable as that of a guy who is successful with plugs.
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You should be a politician instead of a physician hahahahahaha  . Talk about can't we all just get along  .....ick....., Eels are hard plugs are hard, but plugs that look like and swim like eels, now that's something! 
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Why even try.........
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01-07-2007, 08:38 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: New Haven Ct
Posts: 957
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I love both yet I'd take a plug off to put an eel on yet almost never take an eel off for a plug.a few times they ignored eels and took plugs. 90% of the time it is an eel that I'am throwing.cost- eels cost me more cuase I buy more.c&r about the some damage sometimes if the hook is deep on a large bass I can cut the leader and pull the hook out the same way it went in not damaging the fish.eels are fun but I love raising a good fish with surface plugs.I guess they booth win. 
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01-07-2007, 09:01 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 22,805
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well you don't spend the winter growing Eels in the basement
so the fun of making ,creating ,sanding,painting ect is something to consider
not to mention the trading aspect with plugs.
it's not like you'd say...here try one of my Eels ...they work
much better than the kind your using.
unless it was say an artificial Eel.....from Surf Asylum or Surfhog.
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01-08-2007, 12:18 AM
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Been many moons
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Aquidneck Island
Posts: 400
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete_G
1. Effectiveness:
I look at it as using the right tool for the job as anything else.
Sometimes you just can't get where you need to go with an eel.
If the wind is 20 knots in your face and the structure the fish hold on is too far away to put the eel where it needs to be, the eel isn't going to have a chance to even compete with a plug.
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good point, didnt think of that side of it.
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Standing on the water, casting your bread
While the eyes of the idol with the iron head are glowing
Distant ships sailing into the mist
You were born with a snake in both of your fists while a hurricane was blowing
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