slammer 460 - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Notaro · 03-22-2007, 03:24 PM

hey guys, im thinking abt getting a small reel for light/medium tackle application for the beach and using lures up to 2 oz and abusing it in the water. i keep hearing abt peen products might be manufacturing in china, not USA. so im a little worried abt that. but im wondering that if its worthy for me to buy one now from any source here or find another reel that suits my needs?

ThomCat · 03-22-2007, 03:35 PM

Quantum Cabo. Cost more but sweet reel with great drag system.

Notaro · 03-22-2007, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ThomCat

Quantum Cabo. Cost more but sweet reel with great drag system.

can i abuse it while wading in the water?

niko · 03-22-2007, 05:47 PM

i've got a few slammers, they are okay. as far as abusing it - it doesn't like sand at all. check out the white shimano in that same price range- it's nice.

Bill L · 03-22-2007, 06:48 PM

Notaro, my experience with the slammers is that they do NOT like to get wet. If you are wading and taking waves or the occasional spill, they will not last long. They will seize up and the gears will corrode, and will be difficult to keep in running condition. If you keep it dry, they are nice reels. The 710z is your best low cost option; I have heard good things about the Spheros as well, but dont have one.

Fishpart · 03-23-2007, 05:55 AM

Second the Quantum family. I believe I have the Boca 40, nice smooth reel with a good drag. I wouldn't be dipping it in the water and rolling in the sand with it.

ThomCat · 03-23-2007, 06:20 AM

I wouldn't buff it with sand and salt or beat it on the beach, but it has one of the toughest finishes I've seen. Of all the Quantums we've sold one came back for factory return and the guy had it back in a week.

nightprowler · 03-23-2007, 07:36 AM

I've had 2 cabos (50 and 60) for 2 seasons each and been through 3 60s and 2 50s. I am currently on my 4th 60 and 3rd 50. They have not held up well in the suds for me. they can not handle getting wet at all. I was breaking them down every 2-3 days and cleaning and relubing. the service departmart has been great as they have replaced my reels everytime free of charge, until this past winter. I was charged $60 and got 2 brand new reels. I do really like the feel of the reel and the drags are sweet. I just got sick of breaking them down and finally bought a VS.
FWIW I fish 5-6 nights/days week and the reel was getting wet just about evrey night. until the VS I hadn't really been able to find any reel that was able to hold up to the abuse i was putting it through.
Ive also heard good things about the spheros but dont know about any reel able to withstand getting wet in that price range.
I also have a penn 560 and have been generally pleased with it. It has not gotten the use of the quantums since it was mainly a back-up reel and my fiancee's. but when i have used i have generally enjoyed it. I know a few people that swear by the slammer. I have had it for 2 seasons and only needed to replace the drag washers. i was breaking that reel down every 3-4 weeks and cleaning and relubing. it was probably seeing the surf 1-2 nights/week.

Notaro · 03-24-2007, 01:24 AM

i have a shimano spheros 5600. it doesnt take any dunking well. ocassionaly dunking is okay because i have done it accidently. well, i was told that slammer 460 is supposed to be durable for what application i want. i have a penn 704Z with a 10 ft lami, but i want to use something a little lighter than that and any lure up to 2 oz.

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Originally Posted by nightprowler

I've had 2 cabos (50 and 60) for 2 seasons each and been through 3 60s and 2 50s. I am currently on my 4th 60 and 3rd 50. They have not held up well in the suds for me. they can not handle getting wet at all. I was breaking them down every 2-3 days and cleaning and relubing. the service departmart has been great as they have replaced my reels everytime free of charge, until this past winter. I was charged $60 and got 2 brand new reels. I do really like the feel of the reel and the drags are sweet. I just got sick of breaking them down and finally bought a VS.
FWIW I fish 5-6 nights/days week and the reel was getting wet just about evrey night. until the VS I hadn't really been able to find any reel that was able to hold up to the abuse i was putting it through.
Ive also heard good things about the spheros but dont know about any reel able to withstand getting wet in that price range.
I also have a penn 560 and have been generally pleased with it. It has not gotten the use of the quantums since it was mainly a back-up reel and my fiancee's. but when i have used i have generally enjoyed it. I know a few people that swear by the slammer. I have had it for 2 seasons and only needed to replace the drag washers. i was breaking that reel down every 3-4 weeks and cleaning and relubing. it was probably seeing the surf 1-2 nights/week.

EricM · 03-24-2007, 02:28 AM

I have taken a number of good fish with the 460 but that was from the rocks and I never submerged it. Seems fine to me...but why not buy 2 or 3 710Zs for the same price as 1 460 and then abuse away? They love it.

Notaro · 03-24-2007, 02:31 AM

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I have taken a number of good fish with the 460 but that was from the rocks and I never submerged it. Seems fine to me...but why not buy 2 or 3 710Zs for the same price as 1 460 and then abuse away? They love it.

but where am i going to find it? im not sure that if they re discontinued or not.

EricM · 03-24-2007, 05:42 AM

sleazebay

fishonnelsons · 03-24-2007, 06:35 AM

Not many reels which will take "dunkings" like a man, and those are very costly.

The slammers are as solid as most. As far as the China thing, unless you have major issues regading "Made In America", they are made to the same specifications/blueprint as the ones which were made in USA, save for any annual changes/upgrades. You can also canvas tackle shops to see if they have any leftover slammers which were made in the USA.

I love Shimano, but the "white" ones, the stradic's, do not take the saltwater enviroment real well, much less dunking. I use them and slammers, but I always need to really clean-up the stradic after each use, but I really do like it as well! The spheros is the Shimano for saltwater, they are slightly heavier than the others though (I believe, check the spec's.)

rockyroady · 03-24-2007, 07:58 AM

I have a few slammers and am happy with them. When I dunk them, I just soak them with the garden hose the next day, I try to rinse my waders and plugs so it's not a big deal. If you get one be sure you open it up, last one I got was pretty dry inside. I don't think anything is maintnance-free.

Back Beach · 03-24-2007, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Notaro

hey guys, im thinking abt getting a small reel for light/medium tackle application for the beach and using lures up to 2 oz and abusing it in the water. i keep hearing abt peen products might be manufacturing in china, not USA. so im a little worried abt that. but im wondering that if its worthy for me to buy one now from any source here or find another reel that suits my needs?

Finnor Ahab 8 or 12. Will run you around the $200 range. One of the best drag systems you can get too. I would avoid the cabo. Had two and wasn't impressed with them.

Notaro · 03-24-2007, 09:09 AM

what was wrong with cabo?

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Finnor Ahab 8 or 12. Will run you around the $200 range. One of the best drag systems you can get too. I would avoid the cabo. Had two and wasn't impressed with them.

Mike P · 03-24-2007, 09:10 AM

I have a 560 Slammer. It's a decent reel if you're not going to get it wet or put a lot of strain on the gears (like jugging the Canal, for example). I have it on an All Star 1088. Even though I'm not the biggest fan of Power pro line, I'm running the original load of 40# PP on it and I haven't had problems with tangles--yet. But for what you pay, a Stradic from Shimano is a much better buy. Smoother reel, probably as durable if not more so, and you get an equal quality spare spool with it.

Whether made in USA or China, Slammers have a pot metal main gear.

Notaro · 03-24-2007, 09:13 AM

nah, i dont intend to use a slamme ror light tackle reel for the canal, but light/medium tackle that can be on a 9 ft or a little bit taller surf rod that allows me to throw small stuffs up to 2 oz.
if u say that a stradic is good, then what model # shld i pick?

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Originally Posted by Mike P

I have a 560 Slammer. It's a decent reel if you're not going to get it wet or put a lot of strain on the gears (like jugging the Canal, for example). I have it on an All Star 1088. Even though I'm not the biggest fan of Power pro line, I'm running the original load of 40# PP on it and I haven't had problems with tangles--yet. But for what you pay, a Stradic from Shimano is a much better buy. Smoother reel, probably as durable if not more so, and you get an equal quality spare spool with it.

Whether made in USA or China, Slammers have a pot metal main gear.

CAL · 03-24-2007, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Notaro

if u say that a stradic is good, then what model # shld i pick?

8000 is the one you want. I got a couple of them and haven't had any problems. Just rinse the next day after dunking.

fishonnelsons · 03-24-2007, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Notaro

hey guys, im thinking abt getting a small reel for light/medium tackle application for the beach and using lures up to 2 oz and abusing it in the water. i keep hearing abt peen products might be manufacturing in china, not USA. so im a little worried abt that. but im wondering that if its worthy for me to buy one now from any source here or find another reel that suits my needs?

If you go with the stradic, a 8000 might be a bit big if you are going for lighter tackle. Depending on your rod, a 5000 or 6000 should be fine, but just try them on the rod for the balance.

Notaro · 03-24-2007, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CAL

8000 is the one you want. I got a couple of them and haven't had any problems. Just rinse the next day after dunking.

and what rod model will it match with? i want to be able to throw a 9 ft or a little higher rod with a plug, a tin, and a jig up tp 2 oz far from the beach.

CAL · 03-25-2007, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by fishonnelsons

If you go with the stradic, a 8000 might be a bit big if you are going for lighter tackle. Depending on your rod, a 5000 or 6000 should be fine, but just try them on the rod for the balance.

The 6000 and 8000 are essentially the same reel, only difference is the 8000 has a deeper spool and a different knob. Actually weighs less than the 6000.

Joe, I use mine on 9 1/2' Allstar for the same thing you're looking to do.

vanstaal · 03-25-2007, 06:34 AM

VS 250 !

fishaholic18 · 03-25-2007, 07:24 AM

VS200

basswipe · 03-25-2007, 08:38 AM

If money is an issue you can't beat a Shimano Spheros.$100 for an 8000.

The Quantum Boca is also a great reel.A lot less than the Cabo and is essentially the same reel minus the fancy handle and spool and a couple less bearings.$20-30 more than the Shimano.

Notaro · 03-25-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by basswipe

If money is an issue you can't beat a Shimano Spheros.$100 for an 8000.

The Quantum Boca is also a great reel.A lot less than the Cabo and is essentially the same reel minus the fancy handle and spool and a couple less bearings.$20-30 more than the Shimano.

but i need it to take a little abuse like vanstall. i cant afford a VS reel, guys.

MAC · 03-25-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Notaro

but i need it to take a little abuse like vanstall. i cant afford a VS reel, guys.

Joe, nothing will take the abuse a VS will except a VS. Go with a smaller Penn. Like a 710 from eBay.

Backbeach Jake · 03-25-2007, 04:13 PM

What MAC said.

Notaro · 03-26-2007, 08:41 AM

ok, i was just checking ebay out for 710Z. some of them re spinfishers. also they re under $20. i dont know if i can trust any of them.

Mike P · 03-26-2007, 08:49 AM

Joe, there's nothing that's going to be wrong with any Penn 700 series Spinfisher that you can't fix. They're a very simple reel with just a few parts, and the parts are still widely available.

Bent shafts and worn bail springs are probably the two most common problems. Both are cheap repairs that you can even do yourself.