trial and error?

[GonnaCatchABig1]

Originally Posted by luds48

I would focus on catching fish first. How can you build a plug if you don't know what you want it to do and how would you know what you want it to do if you haven't caught fish on plugs?

You already have one problem. Why dump more on top of that? Doesn't sound like fun and it's suppose to be.

i have caught plenty of fish on plugs.. i know exactly what i want them to do.. only problem is the plugs i have caught fish are incredibly hard to come by these days. (excluding my freshwater assortment) been pluggin since i was six.

i have a very good idea of how i want my stuff to act. thus building em myself. since i cant find em. i'm just wandering how the process goes to getting them to that point. i hear "test test test" aka trial and error... and then "study study study" which is more of a hypothesis approach. i guess it all boils down to what i asked though and the results come out to be trial and error.

[Striperknight]

Test and create to fit your needs.

[luds]

Originally Posted by GonnaCatchABig1

i have caught plenty of fish on plugs.. i know exactly what i want them to do.. only problem is the plugs i have caught fish are incredibly hard to come by these days. (excluding my freshwater assortment) been pluggin since i was six.

i have a very good idea of how i want my stuff to act. thus building em myself. since i cant find em. i'm just wandering how the process goes to getting them to that point. i hear "test test test" aka trial and error... and then "study study study" which is more of a hypothesis approach. i guess it all boils down to what i asked though and the results come out to be trial and error.

Sorry. I thought I saw something about you primarily being a chunker. I don't read most of your posts. What plugs are you looking for that are now hard to come by?

[Tagger]

Geeez your making this awfuly hard .. I'm exausted . 1.The fish will tell you if your plugs are any good ..
2 . can you reach the fish ?
You say you know everthing .. then why do you ask .?
Take a simple plug .. a danny .. fat in the middle tapered both ends ,,right ..maybe not .. what if you made the fat part a little aft of center ? (beachmaster).. Would that make it cast a little better ? Hurry Up and start making them .. I'm dieing to see what you come up with . And they better be Hydro Orientated !!!!!!!!

[GonnaCatchABig1]

Originally Posted by Tagger

Geeez your making this awfuly hard .. I'm exausted . 1.The fish will tell you if your plugs are any good ..
2 . can you reach the fish ?
You say you know everthing .. then why do you ask .?
Take a simple plug .. a danny .. fat in the middle tapered both ends ,,right ..maybe not .. what if you made the fat part a little aft of center ? (beachmaster).. Would that make it cast a little better ? Hurry Up and start making them .. I'm dieing to see what you come up with . And they better be Hydro Orientated !!!!!!!!

hahaha you get me!! i know what i want! but what do the fish want?hopefully what i want since those were the last major producers for me... wait.. now i've confused myself.. see how i work now? i know everything but i never know enough. make sense yet?

no?

didnt think so...

cause i dont even know yet.. it a combo of me and others.. all i asked really was how they planned things out. yours has been the best answer. with take a design and modify. larry's was close with study it. but though he meant study then reproduce. which is no fun. otherwise i would just buy him out of stock. .

i think you guys are the ones over analyzing the question lol. i just want to know the methods you use to test and correct.

but i may have worded it horribly. english wasn't my thing. i'm a math science guy. there is no room for interpretation with me. it's all black white, yes or no answers.

example... i want a certain wobble, i base it off lets say a danny. ok i take your idea and make it fatter at some point.. then just toss it i lets say my grandmas pool.. as larry sits on the deck enjoying a tropical drink. (he knows where it is, and should say hi since every one is asking about him) but it doesn't wobble right..

should i toss a complete blank in? or hooked up version with a full clear coat and then sand that down and work on THAT ONE til i find the sweet spot? or should i not bother and just spin a few different variants?

[GonnaCatchABig1]

p.s.- wait for my "snap intos" those are gonna be killer


ok bad inside joke

[Tagger]

The best way is to seal the plug ,,swim it ,, not happy.. shift weight .. drill and fill ... swim again .. pay attention to plugs attitude at a dead drift in the water .. You can tune a plug by swapping out hooks.. But you may already have some standards you will want .. For instance ,, I do not like to go any smaller than 3/0 hooks ,.. unless its a ,just for fun schooly plug .. The fish I'm targetting . demand 3/0 and I'd feel better with 5/0 hooks.. are you a top water junky ? or just targetting large and a slow sinking needle will do the trick and could care less about the visaul .. I fish my plugs and just about everybody eleses . ,. making a plug that catches fish ain't that hard .. One that consistantly fools large again and again is quite an achievement . Those are the plugs that will be sought after years from now.. There's some really great plugs being built in here .. Build something ,, Lets see your stuff ..

[GonnaCatchABig1]

Originally Posted by Tagger

The best way is to seal the plug ,,swim it ,, not happy.. shift weight .. drill and fill ... swim again .. pay attention to plugs attitude at a dead drift in the water .. You can tune a plug by swapping out hooks.. But you may already have some standards you will want .. For instance ,, I do not like to go any smaller than 3/0 hooks ,.. unless its a ,just for fun schooly plug .. The fish I'm targetting . demand 3/0 and I'd feel better with 5/0 hooks.. are you a top water junky ? or just targetting large and a slow sinking needle will do the trick and could care less about the visaul .. I fish my plugs and just about everybody eleses . ,. making a plug that catches fish ain't that hard .. One that consistantly fools large again and again is quite an achievement . Those are the plugs that will be sought after years from now.. There's some really great plugs being built in here .. Build something ,, Lets see your stuff ..

alright now im gettin some where!

so basically start of with the hardware you expect to use, with a basic design. then if not satisfied sand/cut/tweak as necessary. got it!

now you guys hold tight.. i still got a month or so of fishing to do before i start building. you really think i am gonna give up on fall run to sit inside and coordinate with my building buddies?!?! you must be insane!! next season you will see what we dream up.

[GonnaCatchABig1]

actually you said you prefer to base the wood around the steel... not that i dont value the opinion but do other prefer to base the steel around the wood?
i want to find the middle ground of wood vs steel. how many tweaks to the steel (since it seems easier then tweaking the wood) do you make before you decide the wood was no good?

edit... never mid.. i'll figure it out if the pool isnt frozen

[numbskull]

Try my method...........just turn any old crap, then trade with Eddy and Paul to get something that catches fish

[Tagger]

Originally Posted by GonnaCatchABig1

actually you said you prefer to base the wood around the steel... not that i dont value the opinion but do other prefer to base the steel around the wood?
i want to find the middle ground of wood vs steel. how many tweaks to the steel (since it seems easier then tweaking the wood) do you make before you decide the wood was no good?

edit... never mid.. i'll figure it out if the pool isnt frozen

You really have to be more specific ,,, What plug do you have in mind ,, Hooks are one cosideration but not the only .. Most the time its a place . a rip ... deep water .. or lack of it .. sand .. or rocks ... I've made some heavy arse needles to drag in the sand that would be insanity to throw in a rock pile . I know what hooks I want ,, but sometimes a plug (swimmer) will tell me what hooks it wants . I know a plug that can not be reproduced because the thin wire 5/0 hooks do not exist anymore . Jerry Sylvester's jointed plug .. I had to get some old arse hooks Flap had ..
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