Interesting article....discuss

[Swimmer]

Al Gore just bought himself a Nobel Prize using the environment.

[wheresmy50]

Environmental doomstay crap is scary and impossible to disprove. I get so angry about this stuff that I can't even put a thought together when I argue the point.

The worst thing is, the way these "issues" are presented, there's no public intelligent debate. The media picks a side, calls the other side idiots (or worse), and then they just walk away once the hysteria winds down and they can't use it to sell adds anymore.

Not to get off the point, but back when healt and not environmental issues were all the rage, the same thing happened with silicone breast implants. After the public outcry, and they were banned, it took the "idiots" about 10 years to go through the actual facts and realize that these health problems weren't occuring any more in the women with fake boobies than they were in the general population. No one ever went back to the effin doctors who wanted to be on TV and asked them where they got their incorrect information.

To amke matters worse, issues that really do exist get brushed to the side because they're not sexy enough to displace the hyped-up hysterical garbage.

[numbskull]

What does codfish sell for in the fishmarket? 4-5 times what it would sell for if the fishery had not been the victim of commerical greed and scientific incompetence. Who pays the cost of that behaviour? The public, in the form of millions/billions dollars of increased food cost. Furthermore, as the Canadian experience shows, incompetent fishery management and commerical greed can permanently destroy a public resource (no more N slope cod). It has been 30 years since I caught a codfish on Middleground in December. So how do we go about contributing to the Pew trust? Thanks.

[zimmy]

I think the report does a pretty good job of reflecting global fisheries in its current state. The predictions of what could result without implementation serious management plans is extreme, but its not really total voodoo. The US fisheries are kinda state of the art as far as management goes and we have our issues. Not so the case in Indonesia and places like that where there really isn't any management. Throughout the world one fishery is depleted so they go deeper into the ocean to get whats left (orange roughy, Chilean Sea Bass). Add in population growth along the coasts and if the oceans and estuaries continue to warm up it could be serious. Even here now... Atlantic Salmon, cod, American shad, river herring, ... its not so good.

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I think the report does a pretty good job of reflecting global fisheries in its current state. The predictions of what could result without implementation serious management plans is extreme, but its not really total voodoo. The US fisheries are kinda state of the art as far as management goes and we have our issues. Not so the case in Indonesia and places like that where there really isn't any management. Throughout the world one fishery is depleted so they go deeper into the ocean to get whats left (orange roughy, Chilean Sea Bass). Add in population growth along the coasts and if the oceans and estuaries continue to warm up it could be serious. Even here now... Atlantic Salmon, cod, American shad, river herring, ... its not so good.

We should all just take up golf or professional Bass Tournament fishing

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by striperman36

We should all just take up golf or professional Bass Tournament fishing

frisbee golf

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by wheresmy50

Not to get off the point, but back when healt and not environmental issues were all the rage, the same thing happened with silicone breast implants. After the public outcry, and they were banned, it took the "idiots" about 10 years to go through the actual facts and realize that these health problems weren't occuring any more in the women with fake boobies than they were in the general population.

EXACTLY and look what happened........Global Warming! All those flat chested women walking around with a chip on their shoulders, steam coming out of their ears, spoiling for a fight. No wonder sea levels are rising.

[gone fishin]

Originally Posted by numbskull

EXACTLY and look what happened........Global Warming! All those flat chested women walking around with a chip on their shoulders, steam coming out of their ears, spoiling for a fight. No wonder sea levels are rising.

[spence]

I'm not sure you can trust any of this BS you read anymore.

I remember a StripersForever bit in a local newsletter a few years back that was such a total bastardization of the report it referenced (which I did read) I was astounded.

That being said I also have little trust for those who profit from the flip side. Any business is going to be more concerned with short-term profit and keeping their people employed.

The real question is, how qualified and biased are those writing opinions? This applies to all sides and perspectives.

-spence

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

Al Gore just bought himself a Nobel Prize using the environment.

Ya ,we are starting this winter like they used to start 40 years ago. Right now i'm under 4 inches of ice.
Where's the Global Warming whenya need it.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Ya ,we are starting this winter like they used to start 40 years ago. Right now i'm under 4 inches of ice.
Where's the Global Warming whenya need it.

dont focus so much on the warming part.... focus on the extreme changes and fluctuations. ripping hot summers and shivering cold winters.