Someone lying thru their teeth....?

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by toonoc

Did you here his taped phone call with MacNamee?

McNamee: "What do you want me to do?"

Roger: "ummm, I dunno"

====> How about: "You friggin lied about me taking the crap, why did you do that???? I'm pissed off and I want you to publically acknowledge that you lied"!. Thats what I would expect from someone who was truly innocent

YUP!! What toonoc said!!!

Rather basic, isn't it? As well did anyone else notice the distinction between family and the alleged deeds. Notice how they kept the dirty deeds separate? More telling, for me, was how neither of the conversants on the tape went to the truth issue........................

McNamee never said, "I did tell the truth about those drugs you wanted me to inject you with".

Or, "Roger, I am so sorry but they coerced me into saying that they were looking for the biggest fish in the sea, and I HAD to throw your name out there or they were going to lock me up and throw away the key. Yep, let's both sue these lying, cheating bastages!!!"

Lastly, if that was someone 'who i treated like family' that was knowingly lying wouldn't he/she have been apologetic about the act of lying? Instead we get no mention of the alleged drug use and a sheet load of sidestepping and legal positioning. Not very convincing, for either side, imho!! Very damaging to the Clemens camp that McNamee afterwards states that Roger knows that he is lying............

[wrikerjr]

I think roger has to be very careful about what he said on that phone call because he is under legal advise. For those of you who have ever been under legal advise for something at work or anything like that it really sucks because you want to just ask the question and bring it out in the open, but you can't. The lawyers don't want him to himself by doing something that could lead to obstruction of justice,l especially before a meeting with Congress.

It is very sad what people are saying and how they will not give Clemens the benefit of the doubt. Who here believes that for 10 years roger clemens has been taking performance enhancing drugs???

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wrikerjr

Who here believes that for 10 years roger clemens has been taking performance enhancing drugs???

Who here believes that for 10 years Barry Bonds has been taking performance enhancing drugs??

Why is it so easy to Believe Bonds did it but so hard for people to Believe Clemens did it.

I've been seeing a lot of Rookie Card to Later years comparisons....looks like Roger Bulked up a little too...

[Clogston29]

if he is innocent, why didn't he accuse McNamee of lying or ask why he lied during the recorded phone conversation. it seamed like he took more of a "how could you do this to me" (i.e. how could you rat me out like this) approach. I don't know what his lawyers were thinking playing that tape, you really have to be in Clemen's corner already to come away with anything positive out of that tape.

I think that he did it and I hope that its proven and that lots of other crap about him (adultery, etc.) comes out during the civil suite - all because he's so arrogant.

But if he is innocent, you gotta feel bad for the guy.

[BigFish]

Originally Posted by Clogston29

if he is innocent, why didn't he accuse McNamee of lying or ask why he lied during the recorded phone conversation. it seamed like he took more of a "how could you do this to me" (i.e. how could you rat me out like this) approach. I don't know what his lawyers were thinking playing that tape, you really have to be in Clemen's corner already to come away with anything positive out of that tape.

I think that he did it and I hope that its proven and that lots of other crap about him (adultery, etc.) comes out during the civil suite - all because he's so arrogant.

But if he is innocent, you gotta feel bad for the guy.

Adultery???? Where does that come from???

[BigFish]

Kevin....take an early baseball card of Seaver or Ryan and a late career card......they all bulked up the same.....thats how power pitchers are built! That proves nothing...everyone changes over the years! Difference with Bonds is he put on muscle......and lots of it! How many players have a career year (73 homeruns?) at 38 years old??? Come on!

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by BigFish

Kevin....take an early baseball card of Seaver or Ryan and a late career card......they all bulked up the same.....thats how power pitchers are built! That proves nothing...everyone changes over the years! Difference with Bonds is he put on muscle......and lots of it! How many players have a career year (73 homeruns?) at 38 years old??? Come on!

great point

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by BigFish

That proves nothing...everyone changes over the years! Difference with Bonds is he put on muscle......and lots of it! How many players have a career year (73 homeruns?) at 38 years old??? Come on!

Yes we do--our once sculpted pecs become man-boobs, or even worse, merge with our expanding waistlines.

Take another look at Raw-juh. That isn't fat you see on him making up all that bulk.