Jim Rice - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

vineyardblues · 01-08-2008, 09:42 PM

And I will go out on the limb and say that most of the voters have their head up their arse

Slipknot · 01-08-2008, 09:52 PM

I still have a ball I caught from Rice in 1978

he should be in the hall
he was famous

BigFish · 01-08-2008, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by vineyardblues

And I will go out on the limb and say that most of the voters have their head up their arse

That limb is about to break Peter cause I am coming out there with you!

BassDawg · 01-09-2008, 05:29 AM

Either that are they are smoking from the same crack pipe as

Jerkury Morris!!

What is there some sort of unwritten code between the baseball writers of today to 'have the backs' of the writers of Rice's time, simply because he was a shathead to the media back then?

Guess if you haven't played the game on that level you cain't appreciate the "most feared hitter of the day" as ALL of his contemporary pitchers will attest.

Even Gossage knows, and so don't those nincompoops with pens!
What's it gonna take for Jim Ed and Charlie Hustle to get in. Both deserve a spot in Cooperstown.

Mike P · 01-09-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BassDawg

What's it gonna take for Jim Ed and Charlie Hustle to get in. Both deserve a spot in Cooperstown.

For Rice, being named on 75% of the ballots next year, or being named by the Veterans Committee sometime in the future (and the Veterans Committee WILL vote him in eventually).

Rose has to deal with having his lifetime ban lifted by the Commissioner first. And to do that, he has to finally and unequivocally admit that he bet on baseball games, and act like he's sorry.

And just as an aside---Rose accepted the lifetime ban and disqualification from HOF eligibility knowingly and willingly as part of a deal to keep the evidence of his gambling private.

From the day you sign a ML contract, one rule above all is reinforced--you cannot bet on a baseball game.

BassDawg · 01-09-2008, 06:16 PM

While I totally agree with what you've stated, Mike P, to be the facts and the legalisms involved with Pete Rose, my question was more of a rhetorical one and directed to the broader point that the landscape of baseball has undergone the equivalence of a full scale stripmining since Pete's unfortunate set of circumstances.

I DO NOT condone his gambling and am fully aware that he chose one of the worst paths he could have chosen as a person and a player. Just wish that he had not, and really believe that on stats alone he deserves a spot in the hallowed Hall.

BigFish · 01-10-2008, 02:58 PM

Just had to review Pucketts "Hall of Fame" credentials??? I think he got in on the pity vote!!! His numbers are no where near HOF numbers......yet he is in and Rice is not!!!??? 1085 RBI....2305 Hits.....a .318 BA.....207 Homers???? He never won an MVP award??? Other than playing on a Championship team what did he ever do???? There is the travesty!

BigFish · 01-10-2008, 03:00 PM

Again with the winning?? Is that what you believe a HOF'er is??? They are elected based on their individual career numbers and performance....not whether they won a championship or not!

Nolan Ryan never won a championship.....I think we should rescind his HOF status! Oh sorry.....Ryan did win one...as a member of the 69 Mets....I think he was waterboy or something!

striperking70 · 01-10-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFish

Again with the winning?? Is that what you believe a HOF'er is??? They are elected based on their individual career numbers and performance....not whether they won a championship or not!

Nolan Ryan never won a championship.....I think we should rescind his HOF status! Oh sorry.....Ryan did win one...as a member of the 69 Mets....I think he was waterboy or something!

Again I didn't vote. I think maybe the voters voted for Perez because he was a winner and played on winning teams. I think that if a player is on the bubble they take that into consideration. Mattingly should be in since Puckett is in. You could make a case for alot of players that are in who shouldn't be. I don't think Rice, Perez, Puckett, Dave Parker,Phil Rizzuto, Billy Williams, Richie Ashburn deserve to be in either. I could name more but those are the ones that come to mind.

striperking70 · 01-10-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFish

Again with the winning?? Is that what you believe a HOF'er is??? They are elected based on their individual career numbers and performance....not whether they won a championship or not!

Nolan Ryan never won a championship.....I think we should rescind his HOF status! Oh sorry.....Ryan did win one...as a member of the 69 Mets....I think he was waterboy or something!

Your going to compare Rice to Nolan Ryan