DONE YET?

[The Dad Fisherman]

"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else." - Theodore Roosevelt

[Nebe]

Considering our government is giving tax breaks to companies that export jobs over seas, Id say that the definition of 'unpatriotic' or 'un-american' doesn't quite mean what it used to.

If you ask me, the most patriotic person out there is the one screaming and yelling to get everyone to wake up and realize that our country has been hijacked by corporate puppets to suck every dollar out of our economy and line the pockets of the rich.

Would you like me to define 'ignorant' or 'naive'?

[Swimmer]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Considering our government is giving tax breaks to companies that export jobs over seas, Id say that the definition of 'unpatriotic' or 'un-american' doesn't quite mean what it used to.

If you ask me, the most patriotic person out there is the one screaming and yelling to get everyone to wake up and realize that our country has been hijacked by corporate puppets to suck every dollar out of our economy and line the pockets of the rich.

Would you like me to define 'ignorant' or 'naive'?

MMMMMMMM Nafta.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

MMMMMMMM Nafta.

I was meeting with the VP of Engineering for an automotive supplier the other week who was praising NAFTA as a great thing.

While I did try I just couldn't get into ScottW's rant above, although one thing that does seem clear is his deep inability to reconcile moral relativism and the real world.

-spence

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

MMMMMMMM Nafta.

Yep.. Nafta sucks.

[scottw]

scenes from Obama's Houston supporters offices...but don't believe your eyes...it's probably just a case of "untrained ears" or untrained eyes too unsophisticated to understand the subtleties...RIGHT?

Ernesto "Che" Guevara (May 14, 1928 – October 9, 1967), commonly known as Che Guevara, El Che, or simply Che, was an Argentine "Marxist" revolutionary, politician, author, military theorist, physician, and guerrilla leader.

Hillary was for NAFTA before she was against it...wasn't she?

Spence, are we banning ranting now? Just because you have fancy pants it doesn't make you the smartest guy in the room ...

on your buddy Marx, I've read his stuff....actually it's very appealing in many ways, and he did have a great beard...but like most "academics", the real world has effects that are never accounted in the "closed system" where thay are created, I mean, look, if I wanted to hang around smoking pot all day with my buddies, John Lennin softly singing IMAGINE in the background, then I would probably be a big Marx fan, there's a lot there to justify my lay-aboutness, and afterall, can you really hold a guy accountable for other people that read his writings, get inspired and then go out and cause death, misery and repression an massive scales...funny though Marx, in all I've read about him, I can't find anything anywhere that says what he did for work...he was a self-annointed expert on social order, industry and commerce, government and I guess pretty much everything, yet having never held a job in the private sector, at least for very long...sounds remarkable like most elected democrats that come to mind...experts because they deem thenselves experts on everything and everything with little or no actual experience except maybe lawyering...hmmm

Marx was not able to hold a regular job. He was a parasite to his wife, Jenny (she had more class than Marx and was from a higher class than Marx), and his more affluent philosophical comrade, Friedrich Engels

Dad, can't disagree with that, but it seems that the TRUTH increasingly is becoming arbitrary and subject to political expedience...

Nebe....never mind

Love you guys...

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

scenes from Obama's Houston campaign headquarters...but don't believe your eyes...it's probably just a case of "untrained ears" or untrained eyes too unsophisticated to understand the subtleties...RIGHT?

Can't you even vet your own posts, or do you just not care if you spread misinformation?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/chavez.asp

-spence

[scottw]

CHAFTA

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Can't you even vet your own posts, or do you just not care if you spread misinformation?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/chavez.asp

-spence

I bet I read Snopes before you did?!?! Did you just stop at the first evidence that supported your view? what misinformation....did you watch the actual News Report?