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Old 06-12-2008, 09:27 AM   #1
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hye: you assume it'll be used for what they say it'll be used for. Politicians will think it's some free money in the budget to pay for raises...that's what happened to the gun licensing fees when they cranked that up and made all the laws convoluted; instead of part of it going towards the fish&game department, it went into the "General Fund".
After you watch their antics after a while, you'll understand why the old timers don't trust them. :-)
They'll realize it's "free" money, crank up the fees since they "deserve" a raise, hire more of their buddies for jobs to "manage" the licensing and reporting process, etc. Or maybe I'm just cynical and paranoid...
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Old 06-12-2008, 09:41 AM   #2
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Exactly!! I wish there could be some way that the $25 went right into a marine fisheries account that performed studies or helped conservation etc. I fear that this money will end up building roads or paying for a war that we shouldn't have started in the first place.
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Old 06-12-2008, 09:43 AM   #3
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hye: you assume it'll be used for what they say it'll be used for. Politicians will think it's some free money in the budget to pay for raises...that's what happened to the gun licensing fees when they cranked that up and made all the laws convoluted; instead of part of it going towards the fish&game department, it went into the "General Fund".
This is federal, not state.
All signs (so far) pointing to the money staying in NMFS/NOAA.

http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/mrip/
Direct link to the NMFS/NOAA site about this program.

Here's the exact text instead of a dumb article in the paper that more or less says, uh, nothing.

NOAA Proposes Rule to Require Saltwater Angler Registration

NOAA’s Fisheries Service is seeking comment on a proposed rule that requires anglers and spearfishers who fish recreationally in federal ocean waters to be registered before fishing in 2009.

The rule would also require registration by those who may catch anadromous species anywhere, including striped bass, salmon and shad that spawn in rivers and streams and spend their adult lives in estuaries and the ocean.
The proposed rule satisfies the National Academy of Science National Research Council recommendations to establish a national database of saltwater anglers, and meets the requirements under the Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Act. The proposed rule is a part of a larger initiative of NOAA’s Fisheries Service to improve the quality and accuracy of data on marine recreational fishing and catches. The registry will also help measure the economic effects of recreational fishing on the national and local economies.

“The national registry of saltwater anglers is the key to closing a major gap in information on recreational fishing,” said Jim Balsiger, NOAA acting assistant administrator for NOAA’s Fisheries Service. “It will help us conduct surveys to get a more complete picture of how recreational fishing by an estimated 14 million people is affecting fish stocks. This will lead to better stock assessments and more effective regulations to rebuild and manage these valuable fish.”

NOAA may exempt anglers from registration if they already have a state-issued saltwater fishing license or registration, and the state provides sufficiently complete information to place in the national registry. In certain instances, anglers in states participating in regional surveys of marine recreational fishing may also be exempted. The new rule allows states to apply for exemptions.
States on the West Coast (including Alaska), the Gulf Coast, and the South Atlantic offer saltwater fishing licenses. Hawaii and the states from New Jersey to Maine do not.

“States without saltwater licenses have a strong incentive to adopt licenses,” said Balsiger. “Any fee that a state collects through a license can be used for restoration and fishery management in the state. By law, the registry fee taken by NOAA will offset the cost of issuing the registration. It can not be specifically directed to fisheries management.”

Fishermen would be required to be registered annually and NOAA will not charge a registration fee in the first two years. Beginning in 2011, the annual fee will be an estimated $15 to $25 per angler. Anglers under the age of 16 would be exempt from registering and fees would be waived for indigenous people, such as members of federally recognized tribes. NOAA’s Fisheries Service recognizes that many indigenous people fish for food as part of ancient cultural traditions.

Anglers who fish only on licensed party, charter, or guide boats would also be exempt, since these vessels are surveyed separately from the angler surveys. Also, persons who hold
commercial fishing licenses or permits, and are legally fishing under them, will be exempt from the registration requirement.

Registrations will include an angler’s name, address, telephone number, and the regions where fishing is conducted. This information will not be made public; it will be used only by NOAA to conduct surveys.

The National Academy of Science’s National Research Council advised NOAA’s Fisheries Service in 2006 to redesign its surveys of recreational fishermen for more accuracy, precision, and transparency. The NRC’s independent scientific review resulted in more than 200 recommendations for improving marine recreational surveys, including the recommendation to establish a national database of saltwater anglers. This recommendation became law in the Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Act, the primary fisheries law for U.S. ocean waters, which was reauthorized in 2007. Please see http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/mrip for additional information on this effort, the Marine Recreational Information Program.

For the last 28 years, NOAA’s Fisheries Service has conducted recreational fishing surveys through random telephone interviews with residents living in coastal counties. NOAA and its regional and state partners conduct an extensive program of dockside interviews of anglers to obtain data on their catch.

The national saltwater registry will enable surveyors to interview only those people who fish, and will reach all anglers, not only those who live near the coast. To read the proposed rule, go to http://www.countmyfish.noaa.gov.

Comments on the proposed rule will be accepted until Aug. 11. They can be mailed to:
John Boreman
Director, Office of Science and Technology
NMFS
1315 East-West Highway
Silver Spring, MD 20910
Attn.: Gordon Colvin

Comments can also be submitted electronically at http://www.regulations.gov.

NOAA is dedicated to enhancing economic security and national safety through the prediction and research of weather and climate-related events and information service delivery for transportation, and by providing environmental stewardship of our nation's coastal and marine resources. Through the emerging Global Earth Observation System of Systems (GEOSS), NOAA is working with its federal partners, more than 70 countries and the European Commission to develop a global monitoring network that is as integrated as the planet it observes, predicts, and protects.

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Old 06-12-2008, 09:54 AM   #4
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so when do we have to register our fishing rods, reels and lures? Just another instance of the gov't sticking it up our a$$es.
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Old 06-12-2008, 09:55 AM   #5
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I love this part:

“States without saltwater licenses have a strong incentive to adopt licenses,” said Balsiger. “Any fee that a state collects through a license can be used for restoration and fishery management in the state. By law, the registry fee taken by NOAA will offset the cost of issuing the registration. It can not be specifically directed to fisheries management.”

NOAA is calling the shots.
No reason for most states to bother if they can't just shove the money in the general fund.

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Old 06-12-2008, 10:22 AM   #6
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NOAA may exempt anglers from registration if they already have a state-issued saltwater fishing license or registration, and the state provides sufficiently complete information to place in the national registry. In certain instances, anglers in states participating in regional surveys of marine recreational fishing may also be exempted. The new rule allows states to apply for exemptions.
Err...see the dinner bell for the politicians?
It won't be exactly hard for them to extend their freshwater license to include saltwater so they can keep the fees, and of course, they'll increase the license fee since this will include "more" areas...

And the operative part of this "Any fee that a state collects through a license can be used for restoration and fishery management in the state" is "can". They can say the license is for other things and tack on more costs if I read it correctly. Without the full legalese, we're just guessing though...
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Old 06-12-2008, 10:38 AM   #7
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Without the full legalese, we're just guessing though...
Its all there on the regulations.gov site.
Just very very long.

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Old 06-12-2008, 11:35 AM   #8
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Told you all months ago it was coming. Another fee for nothing. Bait shops will take it up the ass, plain and simple on Cape.

Somne nitwit with a phd and no actual fishing experience dreams this
up as a way to find out who is fishing?

More likely a way to fund the research (ie: his grant) to do this ensuring them of an income for a not needed research project.

Why even try.........
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Old 06-12-2008, 11:42 AM   #9
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Federial Receational Saltwater lisc.

How would you like it up your butt..with or without jelly?
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Old 06-12-2008, 11:45 AM   #10
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I wonder if this is why Bush named striped bass a gamefish?

Yes, I am always skeptical.. sorry
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Old 06-12-2008, 12:22 PM   #11
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Its all there on the regulations.gov site.
Just very very long.
It's currently in proposal form...not law yet, but I can't find anything in this that says the money can't be thrown into some random General Fund that the politicians can wallow in....or anything that says the states can only charge what's needed to cover their expenses:
http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/mrip/abo...ter_Notice.pdf

As far as I can tell, it lets states claim their licenses are enough if they'll provide the names/addresses/phone#s of all their fishermen so someone can survey them. There's no limit on what fee the states think is "reasonable" for this.

What's amusing is the federal tracking info for this survey is estimated to cost $1.7M. Bet that'll go overbudget as usual
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