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Old 09-04-2008, 05:27 AM   #1
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Tell me again.
How many times as senator did Obama vote Present !!!
Curious if you know what that even means?

She certainly delivered as expected, it was a job well done, although not exactly in a hostile environment.

Her life story was endearing, but also really reinforced her podunk image that detractors wish to emphasise.

She presented a very skewed version of the truth here as well. She did raise taxes, she was initially for the bridge to nowhere etc...

From what I've read her taking on big oil and corruption is real and this was, to me at least, the most compelling part of her speech.

The policy portion of the speech will turn off a lot of people. It was clearly not in her voice and she was talking about things she knows little about. They were trying to take her around the world like she's up on foreign issues when she's rarely left town.

To me she didn't have the credibility to deliver such sarcastic and mean spirited attacks. It looked instead of a fresh person newly ordained into the Republican negative campaign machine that everyone was sick of under Bush/Rove.

I also noticed she steered clear of the social conservative hot buttons that will turn moderate voters off...

The Dems certainly have to worry if she's going to be a new voice that people will work to pay attention to. But on the other hand, she may have been received so well last night that McCain won't be able to equal her performance. This could throw his campaign out of balance rather than give it a boost.

But the whining about the media isn't going to play outside of that hall. She's certainly invited herself some blistering coverage over the next two months if skeletons jump from the closet or her mouth betrays her.

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Old 09-04-2008, 08:17 AM   #2
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But the whining about the media isn't going to play outside of that hall. She's certainly invited herself some blistering coverage over the next two months if skeletons jump from the closet or her mouth betrays her.

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Agreed, Spence you might like this:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...in-gender-card

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Old 09-04-2008, 03:25 PM   #3
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Curious if you know what that even means?


-spence
That's pretty friggin cheap, Spence. Not everyone googles info and spends time researching every aspect of the debate so they can look smarter then everyone else. Most of us are just speaking from the heart and learn from each other as we go. I know what "Present" means and it means he doesn't have the balls to vote an actual yes on the subject at hand because he may some day have to explain that vote.

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Old 09-04-2008, 04:59 PM   #4
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That's pretty friggin cheap, Spence. Not everyone googles info and spends time researching every aspect of the debate so they can look smarter then everyone else. Most of us are just speaking from the heart and learn from each other as we go. I know what "Present" means and it means he doesn't have the balls to vote an actual yes on the subject at hand because he may some day have to explain that vote.

-steve
Not cheap at all, if someone is going to parrot a talking point I'd at least expect them to understand the context.

And no, "present" doesn't mean a lack of balls...it may in fact be the right choice if you aren't sure about the nature of the bill you're voting for. It's not like these people get to read everything they vote on, and often times things change at the last minute.

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just for you bil.. a pic of her... and her "guns"

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Fake photo.

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But the whining about the media isn't going to play outside of that hall. -spence



MSNBC and it's like have become the brunt of ridicule all over America. Decent people are disgusted by their blatant bias and indecent attacks on her. But the lunatic fringe can't see it through the glaze covering their retinas.

The beatings will continue until morale improves
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MSNBC and it's like have become the brunt of ridicule all over America. Decent people are disgusted by their blatant bias and indecent attacks on her. But the lunatic fringe can't see it through the glaze covering their retinas.
Got reasonable source for your "decent people" or "indecent attacks"?

I've watched much of their coverage (along with CNN and FOX) and have found them to be very complimentary of the potential VP.

And are you sugesting that I'm part of the lunatic fringe? If so perhaps it's your eyes that are glazed.

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Looks like some more spin on Palin's part...courtesty of MSNBC for the snipah

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26550336/

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And the spin keeps coming...I'd note that factcheck.org is very neutral and the same site contains critique of the DNC remarks.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_part_ii.html

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Obama's comments on last night.




Say what you want about Obama but he handles himself with class.


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Old 09-05-2008, 11:37 AM   #11
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And are you sugesting that I'm part of the lunatic fringe? If so perhaps it's your eyes that are glazed.

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No Spence, I think you are highly aware of the slant and bias put forth daily under the guise of "News".

The beatings will continue until morale improves
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