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09-06-2008, 01:11 PM
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Jiggin' Leper Lawyer
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Originally Posted by Nebe
For example- The war in Iraq was all planed out before 9/11 and was an agenda just waiting for an excuse. Thats a proven fact.
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How about outlining the proof instead of stating it as an axiom? |
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09-06-2008, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike P
How about outlining the proof instead of stating it as an axiom?
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While "proof" may be a strong word for some, when you combine the clearly stated intent of the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), the fact that a huge number of it's authors and advocates had key positions of influence in the first Bush term and the tremendous volume of quite credible reporting on the inside story after 9/11 on how the war was marketed to the world...
I think you can make a very strong case that Iraq was a war looking for an excuse. To me it's proof, but the burden in matters of opinion can be quite low 
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09-07-2008, 10:12 AM
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Retired Surfer
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Originally Posted by spence
While "proof" may be a strong word for some, when you combine the clearly stated intent of the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), the fact that a huge number of it's authors and advocates had key positions of influence in the first Bush term and the tremendous volume of quite credible reporting on the inside story after 9/11 on how the war was marketed to the world...
I think you can make a very strong case that Iraq was a war looking for an excuse. To me it's proof, but the burden in matters of opinion can be quite low
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This can be said for probably thirty countries in the world, not just IRAQ. |
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09-07-2008, 10:20 AM
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What can be said, that we had war plans?
-spence
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09-07-2008, 06:47 PM
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sick of bluefish
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Neb,
Cant really say. But one thing we forget about here and gets buried in the Bush-conspiracy, we have a government with checks and balances - the 3 branches. A president cannot just make laws. The Patriot Act, the war in Iraq - all approved by Congress.
So, I hope that if there are any hidden agendas, our structure keeps them in place. Regardless, due to the internet and cable news, politics gets more attention than ever, whoever gets in will continue to be under massize scrutiny and I think thats a good thing.
I thought I retired from this forum...........
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09-07-2008, 07:37 PM
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Your right Jim.. checks and balances... which reminds me.. I better check my balance.  |
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09-07-2008, 09:18 PM
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checks and balances? oh you mean like how Cheney feels that he is exempt from providing info to the Information Oversight office or whatever the hell it's called? the list goes on and on, but this adminstration has skewed the system of checks and balances so far in their favor is it amazing.
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09-06-2008, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Nebe
need any more???
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I think the point that Mike is trying to make is that it's not true just because you, I or Oneill says it is.
That being said, there are numerous other insiders who have made the exact same claims. So numerous that the assertion is very compelling, unless you just don't want the truth.
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09-06-2008, 02:44 PM
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Spence and Mike, I didnt say that the war was Bush's sole idea and agenda.. What I was getting at was that toppling Iraq was a set agenda looking for an excuse to happen... That has been proven. I never said that Bush has openly admitted it..
But enough about him- what about McCain and Obama.. Who is wise enough not to be fooled by people underthem with thier own set of agendas?
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09-06-2008, 03:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebe
Spence and Mike, I didnt say that the war was Bush's sole idea and agenda.. What I was getting at was that toppling Iraq was a set agenda looking for an excuse to happen... That has been proven. I never said that Bush has openly admitted it..
But enough about him- what about McCain and Obama.. Who is wise enough not to be fooled by people underthem with thier own set of agendas?
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