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Originally Posted by buckman

I was only stating something that I thought would be funny and ironic. It appears I touched on a nerve, Sorry

Not really funny or ironic. Desperate? Yes.

-spence

[scottw]

what is actually funny, ironic and desperate is the amount of time that is being spent on the anal exam of a woman who the left proclaimed completely inept, unqualified and unfit to be VP, clearly the worst VP pick in political history, right? If this is true shouldn't this guarantee an Obama victory and wouldn't you just sit back and watch the McCain campaign implode? This is not just a campaign against Palin but an attempt to destroy any political viability that she may have. Sooo, why the big hullabalooo. The Celebutards and Hag Skank Face Lift Queens on the View and in the media are completely off their rockers and the new chorus from the left compares O to Jesus and Palin to PP...gimme a break...Obama is on his heels having to defend his record against the record of the opponents VP...criticizing McCain for being internet illiterate is a great idea till you realize that he can't type because of the beating that he took...Bided sticks both feet in his mouth everytime he opens it....this is really becoming a lot of fun...Hillary presumed...picking out drapes and referring to Bills admin, as the "1ST CLINTON ADMIN." Obama has really presumed and now he's acting like a little girl that had her lollipop taken away. The more they go after Palin, the more they solidify the right base and make her an endearing figure to women in the middle that think Hill was a victim of the same crap. If you believe the mainstream media then this race shouldn't even be close. OBAMA IS THE ONE WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR...isn't he??.but for some reason???..Obama is in trouble, he's never won a competitive race against a Republican, he's tried to keep his base a fever pitch for nearly 20 months and it's fizzling(most of it was hype anyway), his Prius is running out of gas....

this election is simple ...vote for the War Hero and his lovely, bright and talented VP or vote for the Communist and his diahrreah mouth sideick...at least that's how I see it

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Not really funny or ironic. Desperate? Yes.

-spence

Your right it's a sad statement on the attitude of the left in this state. Thanks for bringing me to my senses.

Why would I be desperate? My guy's in the lead

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Originally Posted by buckman

Why would I be desperate? My guy's in the lead

Actually Obama is still ahead in the electoral college by most measures, and that's about all that matters. Obama has a lot of cash as well and could use this to his advantage to rebut GOP lies.

McCain will probably loose a few points as the Palin bubble starts to deflate, but it's way to close a race to say your guy is in the lead.

-spence

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by buckman

Your right it's a sad statement on the attitude of the left in this state. Thanks for bringing me to my senses.

Why would I be desperate? My guy's in the lead

correction. Your guy's VP is in the lead

[Backbeach Jake]

McCain has straight answers until that reporter in Maine asked him today 3 times about Sarry Palins foreign policy experience. He tried to talk about energy and laying pipe instead...

Thanks ES44, I just couldn't help myself...

[Joe]

Global warming, the value of diplomacy, the age of the earth, carbon dating, evolution, the big bang, the value of sex education...all

[Crafty Angler]

To get on point here, let's start with History.

Unfortunately, many Americans are woefully ignorant of history - not only their own but that of the world around them - and they are therefore doomed to repeat it, just as we are now beginning to do.

Regardless of who is elected, neither outcome can fill you with a great deal of optimism about the future. Simply put, I believe that if McCain is elected we'll end up in a military conflict that will be staggering in terms of loss and it is not going to be in the Middle East.

And sadly, if Obama is elected, I'm afraid we'll suffer a loss to our country of an entirely different kind that will be just as difficult for us as a nation to recover from.

Electing the McCain/Palin ticket will just be a continuation of the Bush doctrine.

To give the devil his due, I do have to admit that Bush and Cheney - or more accurately, Cheney and Bush - have made great use of that terrible attack on our own soil during the first term of their administration.

They initially used our justifiable outrage and anger over the attack to pursue a military objective - bringing OBL to justice - and then used the fear of a repeat attack, using Al Queda as the boogieman under the bed, to keep the country hypnotized and hysterical.

And while they played us like the suckers in an enormous game of 3 Card Monty, they shoveled obscene amounts of money to their friends at KBR and Halliburton - and assorted other shell companies based offshore - outsourcing troop support. These contractors were protected by a well-armed private army of mercenaries (Blackwater) who are not answerable to anyone but the Executive Office and are fully funded by our tax dollars. This is the redistribution of both wealth and power, indeed.

They also used the fear of a repeat of a 9-11 style event to justify the passage of bills like the Patriot Act that are violations of our Constitutional rights as Americans. They later used that same unreasonable fear to make unsubstantiated claims about WMD's and Al Queda's supposed links to Iraq to depose and execute a former U.S. ally after abandoning the real mission in Afganistan.

That so many Americans are so easily led is nothing less than frightening to me.

Economically speaking, the GOP's main objective has always been a reverse Robin Hood. Steal from the poor and give to the rich to redistribute the wealth in this country thus widening the gap between the wealthy and the working poor.

It is a throwback to Reagan's success in breaking the back of the air traffic controllers that has led us to where we stand today, "we" being those of us who are ass over teakettle busy working trying to make ends meet, raise children, put food on the table and keep our homes while many slide further into debt. BUsh's economic plan is really the fulfillment of the Reagan theory of trickle down economics - which essentially means if you feed a horse enough oats, sooner or later enough may come out the back end to feed the sparrows. Picking through detritus to survive is not an easy or pleasant chore.

Finally, it should come as a surprise to absolutely no one - IF you know your history - that the Republicans now abrogating our rights and determining how we are able to live our lives are quite literally the great- and great-great grandchildren of the robber barons of a century ago who amassed the previously unheard of wealth they are now building upon. And the working middle class again has the same burden to bear that their great grandparents fought so hard to overcome. He who ignores history is doomed to repeat it.

In terms of national security, we are at a watershed moment for our country with this election and perhaps we are witnessing the last days of the empire. I would hope it's not so but the policy of military colonization that spread England's military resources too thin toppled their empire just as it had for the Romans centuries earlier. Pick an empire, any of them if you know your history, and you'll see a pattern.

Our military resources are stretched paper thin right now and the mud has yet to hit the fan. The real threat to global security is rapidly regaining strength and we can't do a damned thing about it.

Russia has invaded Georgia, a sovereign state on their border and by Russia's own admission, has designs on Poland. Okay, class, what happened in Poland not all that many years ago? And what did it lead to?

Bush has voiced his objection to the invasion of Georgia and can't do a damned thing about it other than try to place weapons in Poland that are just going to enrage the bear. Stay tuned, the best is yet to come if your know your history and understand current geo-politics. That is the genuine threat today in the world. And that is the next global security issue our next President will face.

So, who do you want to deal with it?

You know what McCain's response will be. If he becomes ill or dies, do you want to leave that decision to someone like Palin?

That's your decision in November.