Hamas - Time for a dialogue?

[stripersnipr]

Sometimes when a peoples attempt at genocide fails they lose land in the process.

[eastendlu]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Sometimes when a peoples attempt at genocide fails they lose land in the process.

Guess they should of claimed Germany?

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Sometimes when a peoples attempt at genocide fails they lose land in the process.

Genocide? And all the time I thought it was fueled primarily by rage...

Silly Otto.

Here are two scenarios:

A) Yes young Ahmed, you should strap a bomb to yourself and get on that bus because your lot in life is to kill all the Jews.

or

B) Yes young Ahmed, the Zionists did take away your fathers farmland, they do make you go through 5 checkpoints and keep you for hours just to get to school, they did detain your brother for 15 years because he was suspected of throwing rocks and they do turn a blind eye to militant Jews who want to settle in our neighborhood. You have no future but to eek out an existance on UN aid and pray you're not struck by a tank round during a peaceful demonstration. And there's nothing you can do about it, because you're powerless. Or, perhaps you're not?

Doesn't make it right, but a little understanding can go a long way.

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Genocide? And all the time I thought it was fueled primarily by rage...

Doesn't make it right, but a little understanding can go a long way.

-spence

Yes, Rage usually is a component to Genocide. Doesn't make it right or excuse it. Understanding does go a long way but at some point you need to come to a conclusion.

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Yes, Rage usually is a component to Genocide. Doesn't make it right or excuse it. Understanding does go a long way but at some point you need to come to a conclusion.

Doesn't mean you come to a wacky conclusion like it's a failed "genocide" just because you need a conclusion.

Perhaps that's your issue, you just need to think about it a little more

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Doesn't mean you come to a wacky conclusion like it's a failed "genocide" just because you need a conclusion.

Perhaps that's your issue, you just need to think about it a little more

-spence

So the deep thinker has concluded that a failed genocide has not occurred. Now we know where you stand.

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

So the deep thinker has concluded that a failed genocide has not occurred. Now we know where you stand.

If it was a "failed" genocide why are they still fighting? At the very least you'd classify it as a struggling genocide still in progress.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

B) Yes young Ahmed, the Zionists did take away your fathers farmland, they do make you go through 5 checkpoints and keep you for hours just to get to school, they did detain your brother for 15 years because he was suspected of throwing rocks and they do turn a blind eye to militant Jews who want to settle in our neighborhood. You have no future but to eek out an existance on UN aid and pray you're not struck by a tank round during a peaceful demonstration. And there's nothing you can do about it, because you're powerless. Or, perhaps you're not?


-spence

or perhaps young Ahmed, you can look to your Arab brethren, you know the ones. They spend millions to finance terrorism and use your plight as justification for jihad? You know the ones, making trillions from oil, building massive hotels and having some of the largest GDP in the world. They point to your situation as a fault of the West while no one, not one single person, looks to them to help negotiate, fund your needs or help relocate your people. Allah be praised! Good thing they have you Ahmed, or else the world may really see the Arab nations for what they are, the richest nations in the world who have the lowest civil rights, yet always fall under the radar due to the focus on Isreal.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

or perhaps young Ahmed, you can look to your Arab brethren, you know the ones. They spend millions to finance terrorism and use your plight as justification for jihad? You know the ones, making trillions from oil, building massive hotels and having some of the largest GDP in the world. They point to your situation as a fault of the West while no one, not one single person, looks to them to help negotiate, fund your needs or help relocate your people. Allah be praised! Good thing they have you Ahmed, or else the world may really see the Arab nations for what they are, the richest nations in the world who have the lowest civil rights, yet always fall under the radar due to the focus on Isreal.

You're missing the point.

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

You're missing the point.

-spence

You ever stop to think that maybe just once, it's you missing the freakin point?

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

You ever stop to think that maybe just once, it's you missing the freakin point?

All the time, then I assess the information and correct my position if necessary.

Just because you have no value to add to the conversation isn't any reason to get all snippy.

To the point: RIJIMMY's comment was missing the point. A young Muslim isn't likely to get the big picture as they see the US and their own failed leadership in the same vein. Anybody who resists is standing up for your issues, regardless of their means...

-spence