So it looks like "Dissent is patriotic is already out the window!

[RIJIMMY]

the bottom line is that this bailout is bad news and filled with unnececsary charity. If the libs beleive group think and faulty intelligence got us into Iraq, why is the bailout any different. My friend Michael Moore will tell you how much Halliburton benefitted from the war, tell me, how much will Obama's buddy Warren Buffet gain from this bailout. THE MEDIA SHOULD BE ASKING THESE QUESTIONS NOT SOME MORON (me) ON A FIHSING WEBSITE !!!!

[EarnedStripes44]

[QUOTE=RIJIMMY;660014]If the libs beleive group think and faulty intelligence got us into Iraq, why is the bailout any different[QUOTE]

I think your right. In the case of the Iraq war there were the known unknown's and the unknown unkown's as the loquacious Rummy articulated. I think this stimulus bill could also have unintended consequences as well, bad and good, and sure enough there is plenty of swine in between the lines. But swine is swine, and both Republicans and democrats play the merchant depending on whose managing the butcher shop. Is the pork what this is really over. PORK....its what's for dinner!

However, I do think greater care and preparation is going to those elements of bill that are intended to jumpstart things economically. I think this administration is going to execute with a surgical precision that was absent in Bush's administration when confronting challenges. Add to that, the way the Iraq war has been funded is unlike any war that has been funded in the past. Bush would ask congress for the money and they just forked it over albeit with concessions; swine anyone? Ordinarily, wars have been budgeted for, as opposed to the Executive back and forth with Congress saying " i need a XX billion?"....9 months later "i need another XX billion" and so on. That is what has lead to waste of millions maybe a few billion in war funding.

The point i'm trying to make here is that blanket statements affirming/predicting the uselessness of social planning is what is useless. That may seem naive but for what I've been told its more important to focus on motives behind what is trying to be achieved and then critically approach the choices and alternatives. Partisanship does none of this any good.

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

unnececsary charity

Charity is one of the supreme virtues. I am an atheist, but I did believe the pastors word when he said charity is the avenue that the mercy of god passes down to us mortals. So maybe this should be refraised as "unnecessary subsidies".

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44

Charity is one of the supreme virtues. I am an atheist, but I did believe the pastors word when he said charity is the avenue that the mercy of god passes down to us mortals. So maybe this should be refraised as "unnecessary subsidies".

Good, then introduce a bill with the proposals for charity. BUT this charity crap is getting bundled in with a stimulus package being marketed with the fear of the current economy.

I find it hard to swallow that you believe this Administraion will execute this so smoothly when the facts of how inflated this bill are presented before you. If they cant even focus now, how do you think the will later.

[EarnedStripes44]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I find it hard to swallow that you believe this Administraion will execute this so smoothly when the facts of how inflated this bill are presented before you. If they cant even focus now, how do you think the will later.

I get what your saying. This bill has lots of pork.

But you've got to keep in mind that this is congress were talking here and its dependent multi million dollar lobbying industry that goes on with it. Its not exactly a Republican or Democrat, Right or wrong type of thing, both parties push pork and the recipients are scattered throughout the political spectrum. Its Lobbying. The number of registered lobbyist in DC doubled to well over 30,000 from 2000 to2007. Lobbyist registered damn near 2 billion in fees last year. Its washington's legislative culture. Its a big game of give and take.

I think we all understand Obama is a politician, but I do believe that he has a better handle and understanding of the scope of his job than the previous administration. He has far more intellectual muscle behind him. Thats what I mean when I say his approach will be measured. After all, if this goes to S...., it will be his fault.

[buckman]

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I'm pumped. More government spending please.

[Swimmer]

If you want to read the bill go tohttp://heritage.org and read a little of it or the entire bill.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

If the libs beleive group think and faulty intelligence got us into Iraq, why is the bailout any different.

Apples and oranges. Sure there are hypothetical parallels, but at the end of the day the money, unecessary or necessary, is going to be spent on domestic projects with (promised) transparency to the people.

Also the size of the investment has been stated up front. The Bush Admin claimed Iraq would cost under 200M and be over in a flash...then SCOPE CREEP set in

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

but at the end of the day the money, unecessary or necessary, is going to be spent on domestic projects .


-spence

untrue

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

untrue

You might not like how it would be spent, but please tell me how I'm wrong?

-spence