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03-16-2009, 12:40 PM
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There is a Surf Division....There just isn't a Surf TEAM Division.
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03-16-2009, 01:14 PM
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Trophy Hunter Apprentice
Join Date: Dec 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
There is a Surf Division....There just isn't a Surf TEAM Division.
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absolutely RIGHT, TDF!
i think that you know what i meant.
and THANKS for your clarification,,,,,,,,,,,
since OTW won't give us seperate TEAM divisions,
in my view, it would be cool if we would configure our TEAMS
so that we WOULD have teams that were ALL Surf.
i also would like to see a minimum slot of 40"+,
to limit needless kills and to encourage C&R,,,,,,, |
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between man and nature shall not be broken."~~ Leo Tolstoy
Tight Lines, and
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03-16-2009, 01:49 PM
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sick of bluefish
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: TEXAS
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BD, just curious, why?
Im pretty sure all 10 of the SB fish last year where surf caught so its not like there was a big advantage to having boats involved. Since this site is made up of a mix of both, why not have a mixed team? Why does it matter?
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Originally Posted by BassDawg
absolutely RIGHT, TDF!
i think that you know what i meant.
and THANKS for your clarification,,,,,,,,,,,
since OTW won't give us seperate TEAM divisions,
in my view, it would be cool if we would configure our TEAMS
so that we WOULD have teams that were ALL Surf.
i also would like to see a minimum slot of 40"+,
to limit needless kills and to encourage C&R,,,,,,, |
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03-16-2009, 02:04 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Easton, MA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RIJIMMY
BD, just curious, why?
Im pretty sure all 10 of the SB fish last year where surf caught so its not like there was a big advantage to having boats involved. Since this site is made up of a mix of both, why not have a mixed team? Why does it matter?
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I agree, why would you exclude the boaters? Maybe BD is predjudice and he thinks that boat fishermen aren't good enough to be in the same company as the surf guys.  |
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03-16-2009, 02:42 PM
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OTW has told me personally and via email that they will never have seperate divisions.Something about cameraderie yada yada.I can never envision a handicap system where boat and surf guys will be satisfied with the handicap.Even last year was waay too much as is indicated by our top fish all being surf fish in spite of a banner year from the boat guys.Chris Meaghan is a great guy and runs an awesome tournament but seems to be missing the point here.I'm sure he has sponsors to appease as well as other outside pressures to influence his decision making so like it or leave it. My impression is OTW doesn't show much love for the boat guys. If they ever did decide to make different divisions perhaps the accomplishments of many hardcore anglers would have more merit.Fortunately decisions and impressions aren't based on hypothetical scenarios such as the ones Bassdawg presents.
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PRO CHOICE REPUBLICAN
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03-16-2009, 03:14 PM
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Respect your elvers
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: franklin ma
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
I can never envision a handicap system where boat and surf guys will be satisfied with the handicap.Even last year was waay too much as is indicated by our top fish all being surf fish in spite of a banner year from the boat guys.
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Even with the above said, I still feel like the team portion is as fair as it can get. The distribution of big fish is different every year and last years big hitters may or may not repeat their successes in 2009. A big part of fishing success depends on what shows up in your local waters.
I wouldn't change anything about the tourney at this point, except they need a system that will update the standings more quickly and avoid unnecessary kills. I personally took two big fish last year that could have been released as they didn't factor into the tourney. |
It's not the bait
At the end of your line
It's the fishing hole
Where all the fish is blind
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03-16-2009, 03:50 PM
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Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
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Agree with the above but I do like the 40 inch minimum for adults. That 36-39.9 range ain't gonna do anything and the rare 40" fish weighing 30 pounds is just that rare other than in claims on the Internet. To sweeten the anxiety  how about making it so you can only weigh in two fish per calendar month. That'll add some sleepless nights 
The point ratio for the shore fish is probably about accurate as it will get. |
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03-16-2009, 05:52 PM
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end of the fence guy
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: tiverton ri
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RIJIMMY
BD, just curious, why?
Im pretty sure all 10 of the SB fish last year where surf caught so its not like there was a big advantage to having boats involved. Since this site is made up of a mix of both, why not have a mixed team? Why does it matter?
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yes and the year before when we won it they were all surf fish |
boat fish dont count
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03-16-2009, 06:52 PM
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With a handicap like the one you enjoyed for that victory the tournament was over before it started.
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PRO CHOICE REPUBLICAN
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03-16-2009, 06:56 PM
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Old Guy
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Mansfield, MA
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Did not see a large fish from the boat last year at all. Last year was probably the slowest boat year I've seen in 15 years.
I am with the 40-45 inch minimum for entrance.
It's a shame we couldn't do a C&R tournament, but that is something that is too prone to 'influence' that I just don't see it happening.
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03-17-2009, 10:56 AM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by striperman36
Did not see a large fish from the boat last year at all. Last year was probably the slowest boat year I've seen in 15 years.
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Bill are you talking about yourself or the Striper Cup? There were a bunch of really large fish, 50 plus lbs., caught in the boat division last year. Not by our group but by some of the others. |
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03-16-2009, 07:06 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
With a handicap like the one you enjoyed for that victory the tournament was over before it started.
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...for the sake of humility, perhaps the handicap should be abolished !
would the surf division be as dominant ? |
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03-16-2009, 09:06 PM
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Trophy Hunter Apprentice
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: THE Other Cape
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Quote:
Originally Posted by intrepid24
...for the sake of humility, perhaps the handicap should be abolished !
would the surf division be as dominant ?
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spoken like a true boatsman!!!
yeah 'cause boat fish and surf fish are the SAME!!!
yer sheeetin' me, RIGHT? let's move forward
not backwards, bro. .02 seemed to work fine last year.
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"The first condition of happiness is that the connection
between man and nature shall not be broken."~~ Leo Tolstoy
Tight Lines, and
Happy Hunting to ALL!
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03-17-2009, 07:52 AM
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Respect your elvers
Join Date: Mar 2004
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
With a handicap like the one you enjoyed for that victory the tournament was over before it started.
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You're right Chris, but they did address the issue fairly, IMO.
If they lower the ratio to 1.15 its still fair. Any lower and the boaters have the advantage. Schaeffer was 1.15 and the contest went for many years and was always competitive. |
It's not the bait
At the end of your line
It's the fishing hole
Where all the fish is blind
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03-17-2009, 08:00 AM
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[QUOTE=Sea Dangles;674203]With a handicap like the one you enjoyed for that victory the tournament was over before it started.[/QUOTE
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03-17-2009, 08:01 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
With a handicap like the one you enjoyed for that victory the tournament was over before it started.
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You're kidding, right chris.
we weren't the only team that year that was dominated by surf caught fish. every team in the top 5 I believe were surf oriented teams
I agree, boat dominated teams had no shot that year....but to say that WE won specifically because of the handicap rule is wrong.......If I remember correctly....NIB'S jersey suf team and us went down to the last week |
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03-16-2009, 08:56 PM
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Trophy Hunter Apprentice
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: THE Other Cape
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RIJIMMY
BD, just curious, why?
Im pretty sure all 10 of the SB fish last year where surf caught so its not like there was a big advantage to having boats involved. Since this site is made up of a mix of both, why not have a mixed team? Why does it matter?
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my point precisely,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
i'm not trying to be exclusionary, more along the lines
of leveling the playing field for ALL teams. the reason we entered 10 surf fish is because our TEAM's 10 largest bass were surf caught.
i mostly thought that it would be more interesting that way, and a way to divide the TEAM competition into two divisions~~~~
since apparently OTW will not and cannot according to ChrisDangles.
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"The first condition of happiness is that the connection
between man and nature shall not be broken."~~ Leo Tolstoy
Tight Lines, and
Happy Hunting to ALL!
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03-17-2009, 10:10 AM
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Steve "Van Staal"
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Cranston
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Right now I'm not going to participate but I might change my mind . I would love to win a VanStaal because I don't know how long they will have those as a monthly surf prize but I think I'll just take pictures and release everything and be satisfied with the many VanStaals I already own.
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03-17-2009, 11:46 AM
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Also known as OAK
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Westlery, RI
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Quote:
Originally Posted by steve
Right now I'm not going to participate but I might change my mind . I would love to win a VanStaal because I don't know how long they will have those as a monthly surf prize but I think I'll just take pictures and release everything and be satisfied with the many VanStaals I already own.
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Steve,
Fishing with JoeP (who carries a camera and scale) is trending me in that direction... keep a few gut hooked etc.. for the table and release as many as possible.... |
Bryan
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"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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03-17-2009, 11:48 AM
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sick of bluefish
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: TEXAS
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
Steve,
Fishing with JoeP (who carries a camera and scale) is trending me in that direction... keep a few gut hooked etc.. for the table and release as many as possible....
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I'm with you on that! |
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03-17-2009, 01:46 PM
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Steve "Van Staal"
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Cranston
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
Steve,
Fishing with JoeP (who carries a camera and scale) is trending me in that direction... keep a few gut hooked etc.. for the table and release as many as possible....
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Bryan, I think that is the best way to do it. I'm getting to old to lug dead, big fish a mile just to get a little bit of glory which is fading at best. I'll never win the cup because I can't stay with it nightly anymore like I used to . So why kill 30 lb. fish?????? I'll bring my camara and a scale. I released a few good ones last season and it felt good. |
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