So what's the reason behind releasing this?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by scottw

I challenge you to point to a time in history where Pow's or detainees or whatever you want to call them, were treated better as a group than these human cockroaches......certainly not American POW's...we know how they look if and when they are ever released....

Oh ok. So your position is one that because other countries tortured and killed POWs, we're allowed to do what we want with them because we given them food and let them pray?

[scottw]

no, what I'm saying is that we are better and have always been better than the rest of the world in this regard....don't know about the universe but certainly the world....unless I'm mistaken...post waterboarding, lights left on all night, blaring Hannah Montana, bugs in boxes...these guys still had their heads.... right?....and probably have no lasting ill effects and are likely far better cared for than they were in their terrorist training camps or in the field...Abu Ghraib was not common practice for military personell but it was sure characterized as such by the media and left simply for political advantage....most people still have no idea what waterboarding actually is...they just know that they've been told over and over that it is the worst kind of torture...I wonder how the public will feel regarding waterboarding if/when the rest of these memos are released and we find that a major attack on LA was interrupted because we waterboarded one of these rats....

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

no, what I'm saying is that we are better and have always been better than the rest of the world in this regard....don't know about the universe but certainly the world....

And when we behave in a manner that might demonstrate to some that we're not really better then the rest of the world you don't seem to have any issue with it???

Did you ever stop and think that maybe the real reason some are so upset over the torture issue is because they do believe we really are better and don't want our nation to be seen as hypocrites?

unless I'm mistaken...post waterboarding, lights left on all night, blaring Hannah Montana, bugs in boxes...these guys still had their heads.... right?....and probably have no lasting ill effects and are likely far better cared for than they were in their terrorist training camps or in the field...

Um, you forgot the part about them being FREE men. I'd think such a Patriot as yourself wouldn't discount the value of freedom.

Abu Ghraib was not common practice for military personell but it was sure characterized as such by the media and left simply for political advantage....

Actually, it was characterized as an example of a system that didn't think such behavior was beyond reproach. It was America at it's worst and none of the leadership seemed to care. Hmmm....

most people still have no idea what waterboarding actually is...they just know that they've been told over and over that it is the worst kind of torture...I wonder how the public will feel regarding waterboarding if/when the rest of these memos are released and we find that a major attack on LA was interrupted because we waterboarded one of these rats....

Do you know something we don't? Please let us know...

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

And when we behave in a manner that might demonstrate to some that we're not really better then the rest of the world you don't seem to have any issue with it???

Did you ever stop and think that maybe the real reason some are so upset over the torture issue is because they do believe we really are better and don't want our nation to be seen as hypocrites?"

-spence

I agree with this.
I also believe that if you know someone has info that could save lives you do what is best for the situation. It's a tough call.

Politicizing it the way I fear Obama is about to, is dead wrong.

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Politicizing it the way I fear Obama is about to, is dead wrong.

I don't see Obama politicizing the issue, in fact it looks like he's trying to downplay it. Congress has been the bigger baiter, but even with that it looks like they're trying to leave the door open a crack rather than push it open.

My take is the administration knows it's a %$%$%$%$storm, and only wants legal action to move forward if there's a real case to be made. They want to balance the interests of the Left with reality.

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't see Obama politicizing the issue, in fact it looks like he's trying to downplay it. Congress has been the bigger baiter, but even with that it looks like they're trying to leave the door open a crack rather than push it open.

My take is the administration knows it's a %$%$%$%$storm, and only wants legal action to move forward if there's a real case to be made. They want to balance the interests of the Left with reality.

-spence

My take is he is saying one thing while doing another. I don't believe a word he says. He is the most cunning and two faced politician that has ever decieved the American public. Wake the F##$ up!

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by scottw

.I wonder how the public will feel regarding waterboarding if/when the rest of these memos are released and we find that a major attack on LA was interrupted because we waterboarded one of these rats....

When and if those memo's are released, along with the others, they will be unclassified. Until then, if your position or friends put you in the know, I'd be cautious as to naming cities or too much details.
I know from very reliable sources of a few other cells and attacks that were prevented, but for now,... those are still classified. I guess only time will tell if the public ever learns exactly what could have/almost happened.

But if they come clean with these details, then they would have to admit "Bush was Right". (at least on the terrorists).