Plovers anyone? - Page 2 - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Raven · 08-26-2009, 07:36 AM

with what they can do now with genetic manipulation

especially with mice.....

they could create a genetically altered mouse that could triple
the offspring of spotted owls in no time....

conservation is being approached with the idea of total abstinence
which in my opinion is the completely wrong strategy.

these MF-ers that are so concerned about every friggan animal or fish ought to be worrying about child pornography or the
amount of mercury in the rain or countless other REAL concerns
instead of turning a blind eye to Human health.

this isn't about health care.........if it was, tobacco would be outlawed completely

MAKAI · 08-26-2009, 07:41 AM

maybe we all join the mass audubon, and change their minds a little.
keep your enemies closer than your friends.
they are not a majority opinion, just organized.
as we should be
2na for president !

piemma · 08-26-2009, 07:47 AM

Ancient history but funny

I remember in the Summer of 94 sitting in my truck at the Second Rip (which was as far as we could go because of the birds) and watching a Golden Eagle who had two chick, sit on a post with a sign saying that we couldn't drive there because of the "endangered plovers." She would take off every 1/2 hour or so and pick off a plover chick and head for her offspring. So we can't drive where the birds are but Momma Eagle probably ate 50 plovers a week.

Just stupidity if you ask me. Now we have the seals and the plovers. Where does it end? They are protecting everything but our rights.

likwid · 08-26-2009, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by piemma

They are protecting everything but our rights.

In reality, rights? Privilege.

Lets make sure to keep it straight.

piemma · 08-26-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by likwid

In reality, rights? Privilege.

Lets make sure to keep it straight.

A question of symantics perhaps.
I still feel that I pay my taxes and this is one of the rights that I pay for. The right to free access to federal lands as long as I do no harm in accessing the space.

We certainly will not settle this here.

piemma · 08-26-2009, 09:02 AM

It's interesting to note that my late friend George Calzone told me stories about how he had a tent that he setup in the dunes near the Race in May and didn't take it down until December. In fact his biggest fish 63# was on December 3rd, 1960 or 1961. I asked him about leaving his tent there all Summer and he just said "it's my right to do that. I fought in WW II so I could be free to camp on this beach".

likwid · 08-26-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by piemma

A question of symantics perhaps.
I still feel that I pay my taxes and this is one of the rights that I pay for. The right to free access to federal lands as long as I do no harm in accessing the space.

We certainly will not settle this here.

Hey they could instantly say eff em all and sell it all off for a very nice profit to private developers. Imagine the condos they could put in the lot at Coast Guard Beach with private members only access! Turn the lighthouse into an exclusive bed and breakfast at $500 a night!

Man. All the logging in White Forest National Park! Woo! Luxury Condos! Greeeeeeeed! Libertarianssssssssssss!

piemma · 08-26-2009, 10:48 AM

I believe JFK set aside the CCNS "in perpetuity" for the American public.

The Cape Cod National Seashore (CCNS), created on August 7, 1961 by President John F, Kennedy
.

"The CCNS is run by the National Park ServiceNational Park Service
The National Park Service is the List of United States federal agencies that manages all List of areas in the United States National Park System, many U.S....
, with the dual goal of protecting precious, ecologically fragile land, while allowing the public to enjoy a unique resource.

likwid · 08-26-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by piemma

I believe JFK set aside the CCNS "in perpetuity" for the American public.

The Cape Cod National Seashore (CCNS), created on August 7, 1961 by President John F, Kennedy
.

"The CCNS is run by the National Park ServiceNational Park Service
The National Park Service is the List of United States federal agencies that manages all List of areas in the United States National Park System, many U.S....
, with the dual goal of protecting precious, ecologically fragile land, while allowing the public to enjoy a unique resource.

I hope that stays true. Forever.

2na · 08-26-2009, 11:46 AM

Paul, all of the locals in Provincetown (and remember, back in the day it was just the portuguese community) would set up a tent and claim an area of beach in May for the summer. One of the guys was showing me pics of him and his family on the beach in tents in the late 1940's - that is how it was done. I'm pretty sure that 63# George got was November 3 1981 - there is a pic of him with the fish on the wall at Nelson's, I think.

Lastly, 'while allowing the public to enjoy a unique resource' - what a statement for lawyers to turn and parse into something it doesn't mean.

Karl F · 08-26-2009, 01:39 PM

OK P and 2na... now I gotta go dig thru my archives...
I got a Cape Codder article from the 50's somewhere in the "history heap"... where the town fathers in P-town and Truro.. (remember this was pre NPS)..address the "tent cities" in the dunes, and the deploreable unsanitary conditions etc., and other issues they had..
I also remember Bob Andrews reminisceing to me on this issue a few years ago....he was Pres. of the mbba during that blow-up, and somehow the club got involved...but it kinda led to the designation of what became the "self-contained" campers... ( mostly bread trucks and sedan delivery wagons converted, back then... a few steel sided jeeps too) back then... the tents kinda went away..but a few die hards like George flew under the radar...for the most part.

And yes Mike...P-town was a much different town then, than it is now.... as is the whole cape...

It was a more bohemian lifestyle years ago on the cape...free and easy...lot more wide open places too.

piemma · 08-26-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 2na

Paul, all of the locals in Provincetown (and remember, back in the day it was just the portuguese community) would set up a tent and claim an area of beach in May for the summer. One of the guys was showing me pics of him and his family on the beach in tents in the late 1940's - that is how it was done. I'm pretty sure that 63# George got was November 3 1981 - there is a pic of him with the fish on the wall at Nelson's, I think.

Lastly, 'while allowing the public to enjoy a unique resource' - what a statement for lawyers to turn and parse into something it doesn't mean.

You are probably right. George told me the story long ago and I probably have the dates wrong. I have not been in Nelson's since Emelo sold it. There were a bunch of us that hung out up stairs back in the day. I slept in the parking lot in my truck for a lot of years and Emelo was just the best guy.