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[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by justplugit

JD, you better tell Nancy Pelosi then, i just saw her on TV with a blurb from her
Town Hall Meeting stating, "any bill passed by the House will have a Single Payer
Option in it. "
Sounds like the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.

She is such an ass without a clue. "Single-payer option" is an oxymoron. The entire bill is centered around a non-single-payer system.

A lot of Dems are even against a Gov't sponsored public option.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

She is such an ass without a clue. "Single-payer option" is an oxymoron. The entire bill is centered around a non-single-payer system.

A lot of Dems are even against a Gov't sponsored public option.

JD..it's the dems that continually change the language when it's convenient...healthcare reform/no, now it's health "insurance" reform...single payer plan/single payer option....government plan/government option......global warming/climate change..war on terror/overseas peacekeeping mission........if you are referring to the house bill, it clearly states that if, after the date that the bill is signed into law, you have any change in your existing health insurance...you will be enrolled in the government option(which sounds like no-option single payer to me), now is the government option still on the table because that varies widely depending on who you talk to?....I think you should have said that "a few" dems are against a government sponsored public option, that would be more accurate, but they will be strong armed to be sure...the entire "plan" and goal is to eventually arrive at a fully government-run single payer(government) system, Obama and his people have openly advocated and in some cases even bragged about their designs to run the private sector out of healthcare...this is not very complicated but you seem to think that you can make a point beating your head against a single word or phrase while ignoring the rest of the issue...this administration and the current congressional leadership are radical leftists....however it is disguised, this health overhaul is being designed by radical leftists and will reflect their beliefs which will not include or accomodate the private sector...

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by scottw

if you are referring to the house bill, it clearly states that if, after the date that the bill is signed into law, you have any change in your existing health insurance...you will be enrolled in the government option(which sounds like no-option single payer to me), now is the government option still on the table because that varies widely depending on who you talk to?....

Where exactly in the bill is this?

There are a lot of items "on the table" depending on whom you talk to. My concern is what's actually *in* the bill. As opposed to what people *say* is in the bill.

Unfortunately, the opposition isn't critical of what their peers say. If *insert radio/tv show host* starting bitching about something in the bill, many take it as truth instead of investigating the facts. For instance, "Is the government really going to force grandma to sit down with a panel to determine how they're going to let her die?" Due Diligence isn't really the name of the game.

Now, I haven't payed any attention to HC since the Congressional break because nothing would have changed. The written Bill being debated hadn't changed, thus the points I have issue haven't changed. There is so much misinformation being spread, sometimes I forget what's up and down. Hopefully when fishbones reads this, he'll correct any possible errors I made.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Where exactly in the bill is this?

There are a lot of items "on the table" depending on whom you talk to. My concern is what's actually *in* the bill. As opposed to what people *say* is in the bill.

Unfortunately, the opposition isn't critical of what their peers say. If *insert radio/tv show host* starting bitching about something in the bill, many take it as truth instead of investigating the facts. For instance, "Is the government really going to force grandma to sit down with a panel to determine how they're going to let her die?" Due Diligence isn't really the name of the game.

Now, I haven't payed any attention to HC since the Congressional break because nothing would have changed. The written Bill being debated hadn't changed, thus the points I have issue haven't changed. There is so much misinformation being spread, sometimes I forget what's up and down. Hopefully when fishbones reads this, he'll correct any possible errors I made.

which bill JD?...you say "the bill"...there's the bill from congress, the Kennedy version in the senate and whatever bill version is in Obama's head....and the dems are spewing different versions/views/interpretations of each...it's the dems that you should be asking to provide clarity but that's not the game, seems that depending on which dem you talk to something is in, something is out...we're all waiting for Obama's "new and improved version"...you seem to find it hard to imagine that these radical leftist actually don't want to run healthcare through government....and you seem perfectly content to believe that they are honest in what they are putting forth...thought you were smarter than that...

[Fishpart]

Make all of your decisions based on these facts:

Obama is a Socialist as stated in his own book.

The way Dictators control the population is through Public Education and by controlling Medical Care.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by scottw

which bill JD?...you say "the bill"...there's the bill from congress, the Kennedy version in the senate and whatever bill version is in Obama's head....and the dems are spewing different versions/views/interpretations of each...

There's actually only 1 bill, with a version in the House and one in the Senate. You may be surprised by this.... but that's how every law is created.

As such, I'm talking about the bills that could actually become law. As seen below:
House Version
http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
Senate Version
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/im....care.bill.pdf

The discussion should be about the above, not some hypothetical bill that Republicans are drafting via the media.

[scottw]

you can continue to be a smart ass but again, it's the dems running around with vastly different versions of what's in the bill, what will be in the bill, what cannot be in the bill...when it will be voted on....and Obama is going to give yet another lame ass lecture on the subject that noone will watch....seems to me his extended 15 minutes are up.."the bill" is now less popular than Hillary Care...the actual debate should be...why are they continuing to cling to this farce?

STATISTS will be STATISTS

jd "She is such an ass without a clue." QUOTE

YOU ARE AWARE THAT "SHE" IS INTIMATELY INVOLVED WITH THE WRITING OF THIS "BILL" ?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by scottw

you can continue to be a smart ass but again, it's the dems running around with vastly different versions of what's in the bill, what will be in the bill, what cannot be in the bill...when it will be voted on....

I'm not being a smart ass, just accurate. I see no point in arguing "what might be" when there are a number of issues with "what is". My issue with the Repubs when it comes to this issue is that I think they're conflating the subject and merely working towards next year's elections, as opposed to logically addressing the issues within the bill. My issue with the Dems is that in my opinion the bills *drafted* do not effectively address the issue of rising health care costs. Does anyone even remember that is where this all started - to curb rising costs?

jd "She is such an ass without a clue." QUOTE

YOU ARE AWARE THAT "SHE" IS INTIMATELY INVOLVED WITH THE WRITING OF THIS "BILL" ?

I disagree. The bill will have to be completely redrafted should there be a change to a single-payer system. If the Democrats want to have Health Care Reform formally drafted and voted on before the end of the year, they don't have that kind of time.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Hopefully when fishbones reads this, he'll correct any possible errors I made.

I can't find any errors, JD. There is so much confusion even among the lawmakers that no one really understands the Bill as it's currently written. There's just too much confusing language. There have been several politicians that have been documented saying they are in favor of the single payer option, although they now are backtracking. I believe that if there wasn't so much of a public outrcry against it, Obama and several others would have liked to make it a single payer option. But, he underestimated that many people in this country don't want all decisions being made for them by the government.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

She is such an ass without a clue. "Single-payer option" is an oxymoron. The entire bill is centered around a non-single-payer system.

A lot of Dems are even against a Gov't sponsored public option.

And you have know problem with her deciding on your childrens health fuure? She already ruined their fiscal future. a govornment run program = expensive, poory run, and never will live up to the BS retoric. Just imagine the number of people they will hire to run this fiasco.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by buckman

And you have know problem with her deciding on your childrens health fuure?

When exactly have I ever said that?

I've been pretty consistent in my distaste for her.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

She is such an ass without a clue.

Ya, and she's 2 heartbeats away from becoming President.
Scary scenario.