MSBA Action Alert--Stripers Forever Bill Could Pass- Only One Hearing--This Thursday

[Sashamy]

Do you really think that charter captains and commercial fisherman want to catch the last fish? Is it wrong dannyplug that there is a regulated season on 34" fish...but yet you promote a 36" coastal limit? Will that not have the same ramifications...still killing breeding fish which seems to be your big problem with the retention of the fish for consumption. No Danny you just have a problem with the commercial fisherman/charter boat industry...do you think its easy? To go catch 12 for a charter or 30 to sell...I get paid for both but the same pressure to catch fish is there. It is not automatically July12 so 30 fish jump in your boat every day...and then the secret black market opens up???so none of these fish get counted...or the guy who goes out and brings home thirty to eat...come on guys get off the drugs...the season last 26 days, it catches 65000 fish, those are solid numbers...show me the rec numbers....U CAN"T cuz they are a guesstimate...there is no hypocrisy about me talking about the number of bass killed by a charterboat...those fish belong to the public...they contract me to take them out to get their share of the resource. You and a few others would like it if we were all Orvis endorsed guides and we brought people out to maybe catch a couple fish a day with a noodle rod...but guess what stripers taste good and those folks whom aren't as lucky to have a screen name like dannyplug like to eat them. Sorry to rant but you guys are older gents that fished and killed thousands of juvenile bass...for what? oh yeah to pay for your trips to the beach...

The plight of the buffalo someone else brought up...apples and oranges...first of all that was a time period when ther was no government agencies protecting wildlife, secondly buffalo are mammals they reproduce at rate that is not even comparable to a fish that lays millions of eggs at one time...but what we can compare is the processes of natural selection...the weather...rainfall...run-off also contribute to the success of these creatures ability to survive and reproduce...

I applaud you gentlemen for your thinking, but I am a little worried about your lack of compromise...why punish and continue to persecute the sector of the fishery that is hook and line? highly regulated? and done by a panel of your peers? anyone can get a license it is not a special interest group...just my two cents... Doug

[dannyplug1]

Originally Posted by Sashamy

Do you really think that charter captains and commercial fisherman want to catch the last fish? Is it wrong dannyplug that there is a regulated season on 34" fish...but yet you promote a 36" coastal limit? Will that not have the same ramifications...still killing breeding fish which seems to be your big problem with the retention of the fish for consumption. No Danny you just have a problem with the commercial fisherman/charter boat industry...do you think its easy? To go catch 12 for a charter or 30 to sell...I get paid for both but the same pressure to catch fish is there. It is not automatically July12 so 30 fish jump in your boat every day...and then the secret black market opens up???so none of these fish get counted...or the guy who goes out and brings home thirty to eat...come on guys get off the drugs...the season last 26 days, it catches 65000 fish, those are solid numbers...show me the rec numbers....U CAN"T cuz they are a guesstimate...there is no hypocrisy about me talking about the number of bass killed by a charterboat...those fish belong to the public...they contract me to take them out to get their share of the resource. You and a few others would like it if we were all Orvis endorsed guides and we brought people out to maybe catch a couple fish a day with a noodle rod...but guess what stripers taste good and those folks whom aren't as lucky to have a screen name like dannyplug like to eat them. Sorry to rant but you guys are older gents that fished and killed thousands of juvenile bass...for what? oh yeah to pay for your trips to the beach...

The plight of the buffalo someone else brought up...apples and oranges...first of all that was a time period when ther was no government agencies protecting wildlife, secondly buffalo are mammals they reproduce at rate that is not even comparable to a fish that lays millions of eggs at one time...but what we can compare is the processes of natural selection...the weather...rainfall...run-off also contribute to the success of these creatures ability to survive and reproduce...

I applaud you gentlemen for your thinking, but I am a little worried about your lack of compromise...why punish and continue to persecute the sector of the fishery that is hook and line? highly regulated? and done by a panel of your peers? anyone can get a license it is not a special interest group...just my two cents... Doug

Your right I detest commercial fishermen too many times I have been at sakonnet point and watched dead shorts be thrown into the harbor. Never mind the local rumor that shorts are being secretly trucked to canada for sale. And yes I do think with modern technology it is not as difficult to decimate bass. Commercials and charter captains are farr more effective than they were in past years. All I know is that I wont catch as many bass as cowhunter shows in the picture with his posting in ten years of surf fishing. Furthurmore I will let all of them go. Dead FISH I Dead Fish. Like Lee Wulf said a game fish is too precious to be used once. With that being said I would be in favor of a total moritorium.

[intrepid24]

Originally Posted by dannyplug1

I agree with don there should be a 36" limit one fish coast wise. I dont care how the figures are manipulated by special intersts, I know the bass population is going down and most likley crashing in the next five years. I have seen the number of small fish go down every year. Meanwhile I have not taken a fish in a very long time. I have quit fishing live bait and am extreemly carefull with the fish I release. Then I go to westport when the commercial bass season opens and watch the commercials come back from Cuttyhunk loaded to the gills with large prime breeding fish. Dont ask me to disbelieve my own eyes. In regard tothe mas bill being dead. For now possibly, the special intrests win but the mass of the people eventually forces the issue in a democracy. Make stripers a game fish!

not sure what yur position is, could ya repeat it one more time, please ?

Originally Posted by dannyplug1

Your right I detest commercial fishermen too many times I have been at sakonnet point and watched dead shorts be thrown into the harbor. Never mind the local rumor that shorts are being secretly trucked to canada for sale. And yes I do think with modern technology it is not as difficult to decimate bass. Commercials and charter captains are farr more effective than they were in past years. All I know is that I wont catch as many bass as cowhunter shows in the picture with his posting in ten years of surf fishing. Furthurmore I will let all of them go. Dead FISH I Dead Fish. Like Lee Wulf said a game fish is too precious to be used once. With that being said I would be in favor of a total moritorium.

[trapperpierre]

......the Buffalo reduction was a planned action by the government/business interests to reduce the Native American food supply-thus making it easier to control the plains indians and send them to reservations........to free up the great plains for agriculture(land grab)...i.e. grain crops and for beef cattle production............similar to SF attempt to grab all the striped bass(fish resource grab)......

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by Sashamy

The plight of the buffalo someone else brought up...apples and oranges...first of all that was a time period when ther was no government agencies protecting wildlife, secondly buffalo are mammals they reproduce at rate that is not even comparable to a fish that lays millions of eggs at one time...but what we can compare is the processes of natural selection...the weather...rainfall...run-off also contribute to the success of these creatures ability to survive and reproduce...

uh well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Doug, that "someone" was me. and my reference to the complete and utter decimation of a particular species was made to show how The Age of Industry, Westward Expansion, and good-old fashioned American Greed (the comm trappers were paid quite handsomely) led to the anihilation of one of God's resources. imho, these beasts and their existences have been intertwined with the American Striper, and the Atlantic Coast Menhaden since Creation. i beleive that God gave the Plains Indians the Buffalo for food/clothing/shelter/tools, and that he gave to the Narragansetts/Mohegans/Sachems/Algonquins the Bunker for a natural fertilizer and the Striper for food among other species and plants. the plentifulness alone of them before the "whiteman" came along and destroyed each of them, with no regard for them as a partner in Life nor Environment, speaks most loudly to the level of ignorance and neglect that this country has always had towards its "neighbors".

quite simply, Doug~~~~~

just because there is no law against what havoc we wreak on environment and species,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,that does not equate to the justification of our abhorent behavior. do you think that the trappers were right for the actions they took, at the behest of the US gov't, back then that led to the total demise of the great American Bison? how do you suppose the Plains Indians felt at the time? hey, the Jean-Luc Trappierres of the world weren't breaking any US Laws!! they had families to support and the Buffalo were there, right? gimmeee a break!

for me the same goes for this scenario,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,numbers can be switched and swayed however you would like them to be favored.

Originally Posted by Sashamy

I applaud you gentlemen for your thinking, but I am a little worried about your lack of compromise...why punish and continue to persecute the sector of the fishery that is hook and line? highly regulated? and done by a panel of your peers? anyone can get a license it is not a special interest group...just my two cents... Doug

and how is it a fish grab if ALL parties are in favor of a reduction in the take? 1 @ 36", free the pogies, and nobody is saying no to charters~~~ we ARE saying that something needs to be done so as NOT to repeat the past. we are saying no comm's for a time,,,,,2-3 yrs??? how harmful can it be to relieve our beloved prey of some pressure for a short period of time? and if as you said we ALL got licenses, well then that would REALLY boost the comm take now wouldn't it? and isn't it a little like shooting fish in a barrell these days once you hit Stellwagon? not much sport there, Sport! just sum thoughts, Doug.

[animal]

Who the eff,ever trapped buffalo?

[Sashamy]

Bassdawg we are all substantially stupider after reading that post...you truly make no sense in your metaphors...I am glad people like you are not in charge of any resource...I am done with this topic...Doug

[BassDawg]

hey Bob,

nobody "trapped" buffalo, but the trappers became the
buffalo hunters along with mountain men, Johnny Hayseeds from the Colonies, and whoever the efffelse wanted to collect a sweet bounty~~~ once the US Gov't targeted the bison as an integral part of "ridding the West of the heathen savages" the slaughter was awn and it was without regard for species or the Peoples whose Lives depended so heavily upon such a noble and majestic breed of animal. to this day, it is the cleanest red meat source on the planet and the added benefits of hide for shelter and clothing, teeth and horns for tools and utensils, etc,,,,,,,,,makes the buffalo such an amazing and God-given animal, imho.

hey Doug,

that's cool,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,just like most comm's i know~~~ when yer feet get put to the firey voice of conservation and reasonable sacrifice, or when you are asked to consider the Striper as something more than $$$$ cash COWS for the good of all and for the future of our children's children,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,then everyone else is an idiot, fudged science reigns supreme, and the status quo MUST REMAIN at all costs, beit species, environment, or man!!!

[animal]

Jess,if you're really concerned about the future of the striped bass,armed with the knowledge that recs kill more bass than comms,I think you are trying to close the wrong fishery.I mean,if it's all about the bass' survival,you should close the fishery doing the most damage,no?

[BassDawg]

YUP! agreed, mi amigo.

for me it is just one part of the three pronged attack and
i certainly do not think that reducing the take is ALL that there is to the Striper puzzle.

we MUST be concerned with the worsening pollution of their spawning and migratory estuaries, we MUST also take care of one of their primary forages~ the bunker ~so that they can restore their biomass(better length to weight ratios) to pre purse seining figures and aid them in their recovery from the rampant bactaereosous(sp?) that endangers them yearly.

and we MUST do whatever else it takes to leave the American Striper Stocks better than we found them when our generation began to cast the surf,,,,,,,,,,,,,,am i asking for the moon? i don't think so, change, most certainly!

[Nebe]

When te MPA areas happen, everyone will get their wish.... Except there's a small catch
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[intrepid24]

oh, yes most informative nebe....you know the real story before most of us peons.....you would find it at your leisure to inform us; the uninformed, uneducated simplefolk.....

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by Nebe

When te MPA areas happen, everyone will get their wish.... Except there's a small catch
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PLEASE,,,,,,,,,,,,oh wise and Nebulous One,
tell us of the small catch?? but, i dare say

that we will let the MPA's fly? that's the stuff that is reserved
for the Left Coast and ALL its wingnut, whacko, enviroliberallis!!

[animal]

Originally Posted by BassDawg

PLEASE,,,,,,,,,,,,oh wise and Nebulous One,
tell us of the small catch?? but, i dare say

that we will let the MPA's fly? that's the stuff that is reserved
for the Left Coast and ALL its wingnut, whacko, enviroliberallis!!

Nope.Nebe's right,and the biggest reason he's right is that we are divided.We are three or four user groups,instead of one.You can bicker back and forth rec vs. comm,and pew and co.sees an easy target.I fearfully see mpa's in our future.

[Sashamy]

Nope I am all the user groups...I am a fisherman...whether commercial, recreational ect...I aire on the side of fairness...not one sided the sky is falling bs spewed by some here..the sky is not falling and if it does there are measures set to stop the stock from being pressured below certain thresholds...

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by BassDawg

PLEASE,,,,,,,,,,,,oh wise and Nebulous One,
tell us of the small catch?? but, i dare say

that we will let the MPA's fly? that's the stuff that is reserved
for the Left Coast and ALL its wingnut, whacko, enviroliberallis!!

The small catch is you won't be able to wet a line period. Not for a friggen choggie or a sea robin. The entire ara is closed to all hooks, all nets, all traps... Everything. The enviroment will heal- the bottom will recover from draggers, the grasses will return, more life will come back and there will be a lot of fish around.... TO LOOK AT... That's the small catch
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[CowHunter]

What people fail to realize, it will put much, much more pressure on the open areas....
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by animal

Who the eff,ever trapped buffalo?

Lets ask Eelskimmer... Johnny? Who trapped buffalo?

Originally Posted by Nebe

The small catch is you won't be able to wet a line period. Not for a friggen choggie or a sea robin. The entire ara is closed to all hooks, all nets, all traps... Everything. The enviroment will heal- the bottom will recover from draggers, the grasses will return, more life will come back and there will be a lot of fish around.... TO LOOK AT... That's the small catch
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It's the underwater bird sanctuary, which means one usergroup gets to benefit, and it aint the fishers.

Meanwhile, we continue to circle our individual wagons...

[inTHERAPY]

Originally Posted by dannyplug1

Your right I detest commercial fishermen too many times I have been at sakonnet point and watched dead shorts be thrown into the harbor. Never mind the local rumor that shorts are being secretly trucked to canada for sale. And yes I do think with modern technology it is not as difficult to decimate bass. Commercials and charter captains are farr more effective than they were in past years. All I know is that I wont catch as many bass as cowhunter shows in the picture with his posting in ten years of surf fishing. Furthurmore I will let all of them go. Dead FISH I Dead Fish. Like Lee Wulf said a game fish is too precious to be used once. With that being said I would be in favor of a total moritorium.

Moratorium on what exactly? Fishing for bass, killing bass, selling bass? All of which is such a great idea. 99% of "us" on this board could spend more time with our families on land, we could save more money, we could get more sleep, we could take up another hobby, we could use less fossil fuel, we could kill less bait, BRILLIANT!

[maddmatt]

this is my favorite thread EVER!

ok,

steel cage grudge match

nebe, dannyplug and bassdawg

vs

sashamy, cowhunter and me

the winner gets to decide something

[MAKAI]

Can it be like thunder dome ?

[maddmatt]

Originally Posted by MAKAI

Can it be like thunder dome ?

you could put us on bungy cords and we could all beat each other with dull gaffs and boga grips

[dannyplug1]

It could be like family feud with fish billys, or snagging trebbesl. It certainly dosent look like there will ever be an agreement. Meanwhile the the stocks of the smaller bass continue to go down and we concentrate on whats left( the big breeders that hopefully will be able to correct the problem in the future). Just like rome burning while nero played the fiddle.

[Redsoxticket]

I recall in years past the commercial fishing receiving government bailouts.
There is a possibility this will occur again..
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[lead-sinker]

Is there going to be food served at the match? beef, chicken, fish...... or gamefish?

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Redsoxticket

I recall in years past the commercial fishing receiving government bailouts.
There is a possibility this will occur again..
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says who?

[Redsoxticket]

Says who.
I stated it is a "possibility"
You heard of the expression "history repeats itself"

The commercial fishery will claim financial hardship and the government will comply like wall st, banking industry, home foreclosues, extended umemployment benefits, etc etc etc. This has been done before when big brother buyed back fishing boats from New Bedford and other ports due to fish catch restrictions.
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[Slipknot]

I see

hopefully we have learned from history

there WILL be a tea party if that happens again, I'm pretty sure of it. I wish there were more public outcry last time that happened.

I don't see bailouts when the housing market goes down the crapper and home builders and contractors are without work. It must be nice to have friends in high places. I guess fish populations cycle as well as our economy.

[maddmatt]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

says who?

that bailout worked just like a gun buyback, u gave them an old wooden broken down piece of crap and they gave u money for it!

then u took the money and went and bought a newer, faster, bigger boat and kept doin what u were doin before.

i just love big "progressive " governments.

u go obama!