Complaint thread

[Islander77]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Take a look at the food industry in general.. It is dominated by huge corperations. There are only a small handfull of slaughter houses that deal with all of the beef and pork in this country. The stage has now been set for the corperate take over of the ocean. With sector based qouta system, catch shares can be bought and sold. This means that the gorton fisherman can buy out all the qoutas in point Judith for his factory ship..
There will be a lot of good fishermen looking for a new jig when the owner of his boat sells his allotted share to get out of the debt he has found himself in.
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Yes thats the thing Eben and folks the sector thing is assigning quotas on the limited landings people have been allowed for the last couple years they need to go back and look to see who landed what before the 0 pound a day stuff took affect to make it fair... And for the record its a lot harder to sell your days or quotas then you think with new laws they make it very hard to do this with the new laws in place.. To wit if you buy a boat with permits you HAVE to fish for a solid year before you can swap permits to another boat... just FYI

[BasicPatrick]

Originally Posted by Islander77

Yes thats the thing Eben and folks the sector thing is assigning quotas on the limited landings people have been allowed for the last couple years they need to go back and look to see who landed what before the 0 pound a day stuff took affect to make it fair... And for the record its a lot harder to sell your days or quotas then you think with new laws they make it very hard to do this with the new laws in place.. To wit if you buy a boat with permits you HAVE to fish for a solid year before you can swap permits to another boat... just FYI

The proble with wanting to go back to when everone had a lot more historical landings is that we can not harvest that much fish anymore. Those older landings amounted to monstrous overfishgin by the fleet. The years of going 100, 200 and over 256 % over the Gul of Maine and Georges Bank Cod Quotas are the teeth in the ass of every commercial groundfishermen today. Not to mention that while all the commercial groups were beating the %$%$%$%$ out of the council over the scallop decision a couple weeks ago none of those commercial groups were paying attention to the number of yellowtail quota they were actively giving to the scallop fleet. I guess when a sector gets shut down because they cant get any more yellowtail quota it will be the council's fault and not the fault that they backed the wrong pony in the scallop issue.

Bottom line is everyone wants less discards but when the only plan that turns it all into sellable catch means that a lot of guys are going to go out of business then we go straight back to how the regulators suck and don't know what they are talking about.

Like it or not overfishing is ending. Dumping and wasting fish is ending. IT surely sucks but the fleets must consolidate in order to maintain some viable businesses.

The days of take a buyout and use that money to buy into another fishery even though you signed a paper that you were getting out of the industry are teh bottom teeth in the ass of the traditional commercial fisherman. It's surely not pretty and I think it is horrible that the injustices of yesteryear are punishing today's fishermen but bottom line is to clean the mess and fix 30 years of mistakes ehre is goign to be some pain. I feel bad for what I see but that is the way it is.

[Islander77]

WOW Basic I wasnt saying th eover fished landings not at all I was saying look at the boats landings and use that along with a math formula to figure new alllowed quota for boat... does that make sence to you.. Not ok we cut you way back so this is what your getting lol make it fair the guys on bigger boats with bigger expenses that land fish should get bigger piece you know.. stopping discard has to happen, it just has to