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BasicPatrick · 03-22-2010, 02:03 PM

ICCAT will not be restructured as there is just toooooooo much controvers when it comes to international fisheries for enough countries to get on one page

The US can not bitch about over harvesting anything when we continued to overfish the %$%$%$%$ out of Cod for somehting like 15 years and when Canada shut down we laughed....not to mention what is going on with stocks like Sea Herring

JohnnyD · 03-22-2010, 02:52 PM

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The US can not bitch about over harvesting anything when we continued to overfish the %$%$%$%$ out of Cod for somehting like 15 years and when Canada shut down we laughed....not to mention what is going on with stocks like Sea Herring

However, people can and have bitched about a terribly managed system here that is essentially impotent in how it enforces the pittance of regulation that does get knocked around.

Mr. Sandman · 03-24-2010, 06:54 AM

BP is right on Cod..IMO this should have been completely shut down for the past decade. Fishery managers are blind to reality. (BTW it was not the rec's who destroyed the cod fishing industry, or herring)
Frankly, I think some fishery managers in this country should be jailed for their non-protection of the species to only protect the income of the commercial fishermen. Makes me

Tuna is complex because of their range. There is no way we can regulate Europe or anyplace else. We can only regulate ourselves (barely) and we do a poor job at this. There needs to be a global approach with HMS and there is none and most of the world does not want one and probably would not respect it even it it was created. Long term...Species is doomed. Catch all you can as soon as you can. Sad. but this has to be the new mantra.

fishsmith · 03-24-2010, 08:43 AM

Does the endless supply of dogfish have anything to do with cod stocks? ..... I can't wait for 4/16 .

As for the bft, same regs, but one fish per boat would be fine by me, that cuts the rec take.

MakoMike · 03-24-2010, 02:26 PM

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Does the endless supply of dogfish have anything to do with cod stocks? ..... I can't wait for 4/16 .

As for the bft, same regs, but one fish per boat would be fine by me, that cuts the rec take.

That's what it "normally" starts off at. Then NMFS ups the limit, because we aren't going to catch our quota, and if we don't catch our quota ICCAT may take some away.

JohnnyD · 03-24-2010, 03:43 PM

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That's what it "normally" starts off at. Then NMFS ups the limit, because we aren't going to catch our quota, and if we don't catch our quota ICCAT may take some away.

Didn't this happen with Cod somewhere in the country? Fishermen couldn't fill the quota so the government opened up previously closed waters?

I'm a business guy and not a marine biologist, but in business when quotas consistently can't be filled it's often due to one of two things: incompetence, or unacceptably high expectations.

If the US is consistently unable to catch their allotted quota of BFT, is it because of incompetence on the fishermen's part or because the regulatory body has unacceptably high expectations with regards to the health of the tuna population?

Mr. Sandman · 03-24-2010, 05:05 PM

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...I'm a business guy....

Sorry, you can't apply this kind of logic to fisheries. Fisheries management is more of a"fuzzy logic" kind of field, at least that is what it appears to the pragmatic population.

Also, and no offense, but I've seen some of the ivy league business decisions the wall streeters have made in the last few years, and quite frankly, I don't think that is anything to base decisions on.