Van Staal RIP OFF - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

RIROCKHOUND · 03-31-2010, 07:24 AM

The list is below:

I would have thought for a 4000ish serial number a lot of these would have been 'wear' parts as part of the service charge. If anyone knows from experience these are wear parts, let me know. The only one I can see is the roller is a non-wear.

I already sent a sharply worded email back to them.

1 SERVICE - ANNUAL SERVICE FEE 49.95
1 ORQ2 - O-RING, QUAD CROSS SECTION, BUNA .281 X .070 0.44
1 OSPR2 - CUP SEAL, STEEL CLAD, .375 X .562 X .125 3.60
1 OSPR4 - CUP SEAL, STEEL CLAD, .500 X .750 X .125 2.20
1 ORR5 - O-RING, METRIC, 53MM ID X 1MM CROSS SECTION, BU 1.59
1 ORR6 - O-RING, .864 INCH ID X .070 CROSS SECTION, BUNA 0.12
1 WSLCIT1 - WASHER,LOCK,INTERNALTOOTH,10-32 STAINLESS ST 0.53
1 BGRS3 - BEARING, RADIAL, METAL SHIELDED, METRIC 4.13
1 BGND1 - BEARING, NEEDLE, CAGED OPEN END, METRIC 3.52
1 BGRC1 - BEARING ROLLER CLUTCH 13.48
1 BGRO2 - BEARING,RADIAL,OPEN 3.25
1 90000 - MISCELLANEOUS PART SEE TEXT 0.00
1 SR2039 - SR200/250 SEAL CARRIER 3.28
1 VSB2024P - 200/250 SPOOL RETAINER - PASSIVATED 4.50
1 VSB2040P - 200/250 SPOOL HUB - PASSIVATED 12.93
1 ORR3 - O-RING, METRIC, 9MM ID X 2 MM CROSS SECTION, BU 0.10
1 SR3020 - LINE ROLLER 21.57
2 OSPR3 - CUP SEAL, STEEL CLAD, .750 X 1.00 X .125 4.56
4 SR3038-2 - CARBON FIBER SHEET 1MM THICKNESS 5.84
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Back Beach · 03-31-2010, 08:03 AM

Another reason I'm glad I dumped my VS 200(it was the biggest POS reel I ever owned)in 2004 and purchased Saltigas in 2005. I can't for the life of me understand the amount of service these VS reels need given the cost.

My Saltigas have been back to Daiwa once in the five years I've owned them for simple maintenance and it cost me $40 for both reels. They're(Saltigas) fished hard, dunked, slammed, sometimes kicked

and they're literally bulletproof. Don't see where VS is superior in any area besides the cost.

Sorry Brian, rant over...

luds · 03-31-2010, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Back Beach

Another reason I'm glad I dumped my VS 200(it was the biggest POS reel I ever owned)in 2004 and purchased Saltigas in 2005. I can't for the life of me understand the amount of service these VS reels need given the cost.

My Saltigas have been back to Daiwa once in the five years I've owned them for simple maintenance and it cost me $40 for both reels. They're(Saltigas) fished hard, dunked, slammed, sometimes kicked

and they're literally bulletproof. Don't see where VS is superior in any area besides the cost.

Sorry Brian, rant over...

I had the drag fail on my saltiga this past season and sent it in after the warranty period had ended. They replaced the drag system at no cost to me.

Back Beach · 03-31-2010, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by luds

I had the drag fail on my saltiga this past season and sent it in after the warranty period had ended. They replaced the drag system at no cost to me.

Surprised to hear you had an issue, but the drag washers go for $25 each and the reel takes 3 washers, so they did you right on the service end.

I don't want to get this thread off course by praising Daiwa, so let's stick with the VS bashing.

luds · 03-31-2010, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Back Beach

Surprised to hear you had an issue, but the drag washers go for $25 each and the reel takes 3 washers, so they did you right on the service end.

I don't want to get this thread off course by praising Daiwa, so let's stick with the VS bashing.

But I only used my Daiwa maybe 5-7 nights and I got a 40 on it. I used a van staal on 3-4 times a week all season and got one 40 fishing them. I'm just saying......

Back Beach · 03-31-2010, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by luds

But I only used my Daiwa maybe 5-7 nights and I got a 40 on it. I used a van staal on 3-4 times a week all season and got one 40 fishing them. I'm just saying......

Stick with the Daiwa this year and we'll be drinking from the cup come october...

Sea Dangles · 03-31-2010, 09:16 AM

I've had my 200 for over ten years,I have at least ten 40's on it and I have never spent ten cents in maintenance.Never rinsed it after dunking,reel is bombproof.If BB caught fish the washers may be an issue.Ask redlite about his VS, that had no oil in it and still hammered fish nightly,what he thinks.AS FOR DRINKING FROM THE CUP;I guess I'll let you take a sip.In all fairness,the daiwa is a great canal reel.

BigBo · 03-31-2010, 08:34 AM

Put a thin coat of Cal's drag grease on the Saltiga drag washers and you should be all set.

pmbrac · 03-31-2010, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Back Beach

Another reason I'm glad I dumped my VS 200(it was the biggest POS reel I ever owned)in 2004 and purchased Saltigas in 2005. I can't for the life of me understand the amount of service these VS reels need given the cost.

My Saltigas have been back to Daiwa once in the five years I've owned them for simple maintenance and it cost me $40 for both reels. They're(Saltigas) fished hard, dunked, slammed, sometimes kicked

and they're literally bulletproof. Don't see where VS is superior in any area besides the cost.

Sorry Brian, rant over...

I actually got got a saltiga after a few recommendations on this site including BB and couldn't be happier.. Just sold my VS275 and plan to buy another saltiga.. I had no issues with the VS, just like the feel and smoothness of the saltiga WAY better.. plus I don't ever wetsuit or swim with my gear.. looking forward to getting some fish on it the spring!!

HowieGee · 03-31-2010, 02:24 PM

I have been thinking about getting my first VS, probably a 200 or 250. But this thread now has me thinking. I have owned Luxors, Cracks, Penns and now a Shimano Saragosa 1800, which I just landed a 100# sailfish on while in Costa Rica. Pitched the fish a live goggle eye and bam....off to the races. The Shimano Saragosa worked beautifully. Never owned such a smooth reel.

If the VS is touted as such a great reel, why then does it need such intensive service. In the past, all my Cracks, Luxors and Penns just needed a good rinse and periodic cleaning.....and all have lasted for years without replacing anything except a drag washer here and there. SO WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL ABOUT THE VSs and the ZEEBAASs. If they break down without constant service, why should they cost so much?

Howie

Adam_777 · 03-31-2010, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

The list is below:

I would have thought for a 4000ish serial number a lot of these would have been 'wear' parts as part of the service charge. If anyone knows from experience these are wear parts, let me know. The only one I can see is the roller is a non-wear.

I already sent a sharply worded email back to them.

1 SERVICE - ANNUAL SERVICE FEE 49.95
1 ORQ2 - O-RING, QUAD CROSS SECTION, BUNA .281 X .070 0.44
1 OSPR2 - CUP SEAL, STEEL CLAD, .375 X .562 X .125 3.60
1 OSPR4 - CUP SEAL, STEEL CLAD, .500 X .750 X .125 2.20
1 ORR5 - O-RING, METRIC, 53MM ID X 1MM CROSS SECTION, BU 1.59
1 ORR6 - O-RING, .864 INCH ID X .070 CROSS SECTION, BUNA 0.12
1 WSLCIT1 - WASHER,LOCK,INTERNALTOOTH,10-32 STAINLESS ST 0.53
1 BGRS3 - BEARING, RADIAL, METAL SHIELDED, METRIC 4.13
1 BGND1 - BEARING, NEEDLE, CAGED OPEN END, METRIC 3.52
1 BGRC1 - BEARING ROLLER CLUTCH 13.48
1 BGRO2 - BEARING,RADIAL,OPEN 3.25
1 90000 - MISCELLANEOUS PART SEE TEXT 0.00
1 SR2039 - SR200/250 SEAL CARRIER 3.28
1 VSB2024P - 200/250 SPOOL RETAINER - PASSIVATED 4.50
1 VSB2040P - 200/250 SPOOL HUB - PASSIVATED 12.93
1 ORR3 - O-RING, METRIC, 9MM ID X 2 MM CROSS SECTION, BU 0.10
1 SR3020 - LINE ROLLER 21.57
2 OSPR3 - CUP SEAL, STEEL CLAD, .750 X 1.00 X .125 4.56
4 SR3038-2 - CARBON FIBER SHEET 1MM THICKNESS 5.84
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Eighty bucks for an overhaul and a service is a good deal if you ask me.Not to be a jackass but the 3 bearings in the side cover can't be replaced all that easy.After a service like that you should be set for a bunch of years.Depending on how long you hold it underwater on each trip.I use marine grease and gear oil in mine.I'll take mine to CT for any major repairs I can't do myself.I'd pay 80 bucks for that service if the reel doesn't need it again for at least five years.I treat mine like a red headed stepchild and it keeps coming back for more.Best reel I've ever owned and hopefully the last saltwater spinner I'll ever buy.

MAKAI · 03-31-2010, 05:46 PM

What does a high end driver cost ?
I don't know, I hope to make an analogy.
My VS's are under water enough to grow gills.
Only send back for routine every 5 or 6 years.
Was getting expensive replacing the penns and such.

Bronko · 03-31-2010, 06:05 PM

Absolutley positively love my VS 200. Best piece of fishing equipment I own. Sent in once (by me just for routine mantainence) in 5 years. I fish it all season long and it is a beast.

Highly recommend it to anybody.

Rmarsh · 03-31-2010, 06:48 PM

I like my vs 200 very much. Never had a problem. I can't say that about all the penns and schimanos I have bought that didn't hold up well at all. Spent alot of money on those and they all went into the trash.
Seems like alot of reels out there weren't meant to be exposed to saltwater or sand.