Same old story - Page 2 - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

JFigliuolo · 08-23-2010, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

Its a possesion Limit!!!! You cannot have in possesion more than 2 striped bass per angler! That simple...

You absolutely sure about that slick?

"Daily creel limit" means the maximum number of a particular species or group of species a person may legally take in one (1) calendar day while fishing.

chrisjoe13 · 08-23-2010, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

Its a possesion Limit!!!! You cannot have in possesion more than 2 striped bass per angler! That simple...

I think its a "Bag limit", meaning each angler can take 2 fish per day, NOT take as many as wanted if you only possess two at a time (multiple trips per day).

afterhours · 08-23-2010, 10:52 AM

broken record here - remove bounty and instant improvment will occur. or at very least cut all sides take by 1/2. talking to johnr the other day and he brought up an interesting point- if the stocks were to grow would there be enough forage fish to sustain them? we gotta work on them too.

Nebe · 08-23-2010, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

Its a possesion Limit!!!! You cannot have in possesion more than 2 striped bass per angler! That simple...

I don't think so. 2 fish PER DAY is the limit.

To say someone is entitled to go out and take 2 fish, run in to port, ditch the fish, and run out again is patently and unquestionably breaking the law
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CowHunter · 08-23-2010, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisjoe13

I think its a "Bag limit", meaning each angler can take 2 fish per day, NOT take as many as wanted if you only possess two at a time (multiple trips per day).

You are not in violation unless you have more than two in posession!
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chrisjoe13 · 08-23-2010, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

You are not in violation unless you have more than two in posession!
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Thats tantamount to saying: "you're not in violation unless you get caught".

RIJIMMY · 08-23-2010, 10:57 AM

Here is the RI reg. Its pretty vague. I think Cowhunter is basically correct, however it does say "per calendar day". But the key is possess.
If I keep two, then bring them home or give them away. I no longer "possess" them. Per how the reg is written, you can go out and get more.

12.1 Striped Bass Size/Possession Limits/Season in the Recreational Striped Bass Fisheries -- Except as provided in Parts 12.3 and 12.5, no person shall possess in Rhode Island any striped bass which measures less than twenty-eight inches (28") in total length, whether caught within the jurisdiction of this State, or otherwise. Except as provided in Parts 12.3 and 12.5 no person shall possess, per calendar day, more than two (2) striped bass, whether caught within the juris-diction of Rhode Island or otherwise. There is no closed season for striped bass. Compliance with the possession limit aboard vessels will be determined by dividing the number of fish onboard a vessel by the number of recreational fishermen onboard

not saying its wrong or right - but I think if it was in court - Cowhunter would be right.

afterhours · 08-23-2010, 11:02 AM

if someone caught 2 bass and took them home and then went out again the same day and killed 2 more- they are a cheat, period.

chrisjoe13 · 08-23-2010, 11:04 AM

I asked the DEM guys that were at the RISAA show this question and according to them "per calender day" is the key phrase.

At the time I was wondering about fishing past midnight (new calender day) and they said the burden was on me to prove the fish were caught on different days.

JohnnyD · 08-23-2010, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

Its a possesion Limit!!!! You cannot have in possesion more than 2 striped bass per angler! That simple...

Not that simple at all. Direct from a quick call to Mass EPO: "The possession limit is a daily limit. I know it might be confusing but if we caught someone in the act of transporting fish home, then going back out and keeping more, they can be prosecuted."

So again, those Captains and Mates that keep 2 fish per trip as opposed to per day, are breaking the law and part of the problem.

Nebe · 08-23-2010, 11:05 AM

Per calendar day.

End of story
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RIJIMMY · 08-23-2010, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by afterhours

if someone caught 2 bass and took them home and then went out again the same day and killed 2 more- they are a cheat, period.

Disclaimer - I am NOT advocating for this, just making a case based on the REG.If you're in a boat and and catch 2 bass and keep them. Then a buddy comes by and wants to bring home some fish, you give him your 2 fish. You no longer possess any bass. You catch 2 more and the same thing happens - say 4 more times.
I dont think you would get busted for "killing" 8 bass if you only possess 2.

Its how the law reads.

CowHunter · 08-23-2010, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

You are not in violation unless you have more than two in posession!
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Key word "Posess" In either case I cut down fro 2 to 1 fish and it will curb alot of the poaching, make it not worth it.. You will see a difference..
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JFigliuolo · 08-23-2010, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

You are not in violation unless you have more than two in posession!
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There is really no way you can be this arrogant/ignorant. I must assume you are only trying get under peoples skin.

Nebe · 08-23-2010, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Disclaimer - I am NOT advocating for this, just making a case based on the REG.If you're in a boat and and catch 2 bass and keep them. Then a buddy comes by and wants to bring home some fish, you give him your 2 fish. You no longer possess any bass. You catch 2 more and the same thing happens - say 4 more times.
I dont think you would get busted for "killing" 8 bass if you only possess 2.

Its how the law reads.

2 Per %$%$%$%$ing calendar day. You are allowed to possess 2 and only 2 per day. The moment you pass those fish along, you still have to wait got the day to end to posses another 2...

How hard is this to grasp people?????
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JFigliuolo · 08-23-2010, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe

Per calendar day.

End of story
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correct. You "possessed" 2. You gave them away. You possessed 2 more. For the calendar day you possessed 4 fish.

CowHunter · 08-23-2010, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JFigliuolo

There is really no way you can be this arrogant/ignorant. I must assume you are only trying get under peoples skin.

I know what's right or wrong... All I'm saying is that you will not get fined unless you have more than 2 fish in your posession. Why are all those guys running double triple trips???? I'll leave it at that....
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Nebe · 08-23-2010, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

I know what's right or wrong... All I'm saying is that you will not get fined unless you have more than 2 fish in your posession. Why are all those guys running double triple trips???? I'll leave it at that....
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I can steel all the gear off of your boat until I get caught as well.

A thief is a thief is a thief.

Anyone who keeps more than 2 fish is breaking the law. Weather or not they get caught is another story
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JohnnyD · 08-23-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

I know what's right or wrong... All I'm saying is that you will not get fined unless you have more than 2 fish in your posession. Why are all those guys running double triple trips???? I'll leave it at that....
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Apparently you don't know what's legal or illegal. Basically you're saying that because you won't get fined, it's ok to do. That shoots right to the core of the issue many people have with commercial fishermen.

It may be a slim chance you get *caught and fined* unless you have more than 2 fish, but keeping more than 2 fish per day is illegal, at least according to MA law - plain and simple. Straight out of the MA EPO's mouth.

When money is involved people tend to forget how to count or have a selective interpretation of the law - this goes for all areas of commerce - that's why all those guys are running double and triple trip days.

RIJIMMY · 08-23-2010, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JFigliuolo

correct. You "possessed" 2. You gave them away. You possessed 2 more. For the calendar day you possessed 4 fish.

I disagree. Once again, please see my disclaimer above. Im not saying its right or wrong, its how the law reads and thats all that matters in court.

If I smoke 20 joints and get pulled over - I dont get arrested for "possesion".

The reg does not say catch or kill, it says possess. 12 guys on a boat - only one guy fishing, how many bass can that boat bring in dead. 24.
Its how many they possess. I agree with Nebe and JF but the law is not written that way. Its a slippery slope.

JFigliuolo · 08-23-2010, 11:25 AM

Where's Mike P when you need him???

RIJIMMY · 08-23-2010, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JFigliuolo

Where's Mike P when you need him???

i was thinking the same thing!

CowHunter · 08-23-2010, 11:27 AM

4 guys fishing a boat, 1 guy catches and kills 6 out of 8 fish... Boat is legal when they are stopped, 2 a man... Happens all the time...
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CowHunter · 08-23-2010, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Apparently you don't know what's legal or illegal. Basically you're saying that because you won't get fined, it's ok to do. That shoots right to the core of the issue many people have with commercial fishermen.

It may be a slim chance you get *caught and fined* unless you have more than 2 fish, but keeping more than 2 fish per day is illegal, at least according to MA law - plain and simple. Straight out of the MA EPO's mouth.

When money is involved people tend to forget how to count or have a selective interpretation of the law - this goes for all areas of commerce - that's why all those guys are running double and triple trip days.

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It's rec guys running double trips that you are talking about and where did I say it's ok??? It's not like Alaska where you stop fishing once you kill the king u want to keep and immediately mark it on you're license... There are alot of technicalities.. I'm well aware of what's going on...No matter what you say your not getting busted unless you have more than your limit in POSSESSION..

JohnnyD · 08-23-2010, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

4 guys fishing a boat, 1 guy catches and kills 6 out of 8 fish... Boat is legal when they are stopped, 2 a man... Happens all the time...
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Then those 4 guys go home for lunch, head out again for the evening bite and kill another 8 fish - illegal.

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There are alot of technicalities.. I'm well aware of what's going on...No matter what you say your not getting busted unless you have more than your limit in POSSESSION..

You seem to have an issue discerning between the legality of an action and how often it occurs. I take a leak in the parking lot before putting my waders on, do it all the time, I'm sure we all do - does that make it legal?

MikeToole · 08-23-2010, 11:36 AM

Mass and RI both say 2 fish/per day/per person. Go to there web page.

Now enforcing this is a different story. How can you prove who caught the fish once the boat comes in unless you saw them. I would say many charters fill the limit any way they can. As far as going out twice in the same day, once again if no one sees you your home free. I've seen it occur on party boats fishing for cod.

This is kind of like the Mass commercial license. Pay short money, catch 5 fish, take them home for friends or sell under the table. Unless someone is watching you all of the way you won't get caught. There are ways to use the law to cover illegal activities.

afterhours · 08-23-2010, 11:39 AM

i guess it ain't cheating unless you get caught.......morales?

RIJIMMY · 08-23-2010, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeToole

Mass and RI both say 2 fish/per day/per person. Go to there web page.

Now enforcing this is a different story. How can you prove who caught the fish once the boat comes in unless you saw them. I would say many charters fill the limit any way they can. I've seen it occur on party boats fishing for cod.

reg is posted above for RI.
It says "possess" 2 fish per day. There is a LOT of room for interpretation in the reg - hence the above banter.

CowHunter · 08-23-2010, 11:41 AM

Go out fishing in the evening, catch 2 fish before midnight and 2 more after, come back to the dock with 4 fish explain to the eps how you caught them on two different calander days...
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jmac · 08-23-2010, 11:47 AM

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Oh right.. And that's why just about every charter boat out of point Judith that makes 2 trips a day is keeping 2 fish per the captian and mates??

...and if you attended RIMFC mtgs you would know that that is an issue that has/is being reviewed...check the Marine Council meeting minutes page; sticky issue that RIDEM Law Enforcement is still having legal council review.....