overfishing has ended according to "Top" scientist - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Mr. Sandman · 01-09-2011, 02:01 PM

Huh? What planet is this guy on?

Has overfishing ended? Top US scientist says yes - Yahoo! Finance=

piemma · 01-09-2011, 02:28 PM

Saw a sim ilar article in the ProJo this morning.

Ocean fish stocks have totally rebounded. This guy is smokin' some of the best dope on the planet.

Nebe · 01-09-2011, 02:44 PM

Lolz
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Adam_777 · 01-09-2011, 03:12 PM

Whatever that guy is smoking seems to be the same stuff ARK bait is passing to RIDEM.

BigFish · 01-09-2011, 04:11 PM

"Top" Scientist......that does not fish!!! Love to know what he bases his conclusion on??? Jack-Wagon!!!

BigFish · 01-09-2011, 04:15 PM

Nevermind.....obviosly based on "Educated Guess Work", hypothesis and theory and blatant stupidity! I am guessing this fella got a nice fat research grant and did all his studying in the Bahamas with cold fruity drink in his hand!! Morons!!

striperman36 · 01-09-2011, 04:21 PM

I thought 'jack-wagon' was a better description.

spence · 01-09-2011, 04:54 PM

Does this mean it's ok for me to start fishing again?

-spence

WoodyCT · 01-09-2011, 04:58 PM

Watch, he'll be a pro-commercial lobbyist pulling down 6 figures within a year.
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BasicPatrick · 01-09-2011, 06:12 PM

I am pretty sure that story was generated/inspired by pro commercial fishing media consultants that are waging a war against the reasonable regulations recently placed upon the ground fish fleet. I am not anti commercial but I am anti overfishing.

JackK · 01-09-2011, 06:16 PM

That article is almost as outrageous as the one that said all fish/shellfish species will be commercially extinct by 2050.

JohnnyD · 01-09-2011, 08:11 PM

Sounds like a fishing version of when "Top" medical doctors sell out for a few million dollars to hock new "groundbreaking" pharmaceuticals in medical journals.

beamie · 01-09-2011, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFish

........ with cold fruity drink in his hand!!.........

Hey now, that's a great idea Larry!!!!

piemma · 01-10-2011, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by spence

Does this mean it's ok for me to start fishing again?

-spence

Indeed it does Spence. You and Griffy on the new boat.

RIROCKHOUND · 01-10-2011, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by piemma

Indeed it does Spence. You and Griffy on the new boat.

w/ the two of you fishing togethor, striped bass just breathed a sigh of relief. they are safe;.

numbskull · 01-10-2011, 10:24 AM

The article is probably accurate.

He is talking about fishing effort, which has been severely curtailed by regulation. He is not talkng about fish stocks which are still overfished but now have a chance to recover.

All he is saying is that the law is working and pressure on most fish stocks has been reduced enough that recovery can be expected. He is not advocating to increase fishing effort.

Time will tell.
Too bad Striped Bass are looking like an exception.

MakoMike · 01-10-2011, 12:55 PM

Do you guys even know the definition of "overfishing"? It is exceeding the mortality (F) specified in the fishery management plan, different species have different fishery management plans and therefore, differ mortality targets. IMHO this guys knows what he is talking about and he is spot on.

Mr. Sandman · 01-10-2011, 01:09 PM

As I get older I am getting more and more bitter towards other counties. I now hate the EU and Asia. Everyone is #^&#^&#^&#^&ing lying about catches and grabbing what they can. Makes me

They (the EU esp) say the U.S. are the bad guys because we didn't sign a global warming treaty but they are raping our seas and lying about it. What a bunch of hypocrites. I would like to drop a bomb on their ass.

The US isn't going to solve any fisheries problems by implementing catch shares, it is going to take big federal government action and REAL strong enforcement.

spence · 01-10-2011, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by piemma

Indeed it does Spence. You and Griffy on the new boat.

Would be an interesting test to see if I could get him on. We took him out in the kayak once and he was terrified. Early we thought he had a problem with his vestibular system as he always liked to be grounded.

-spence

Nebe · 01-10-2011, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by spence

Would be an interesting test to see if I could get him on. We took him out in the kayak once and he was terrified. Early we thought he had a problem with his vestibular system as he always liked to be grounded.

-spence

It's those Iowa genes.
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fishbones · 01-10-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by spence

Does this mean it's ok for me to start fishing again?

-spence

It only gives you one less excuse to use. I'm sure you can come up with another one.

zimmy · 01-10-2011, 07:18 PM

Even if he is right about "overfishing", the influence of the commercial interests on the standards for overfishing, combined with insufficient abilities of managers to effectively evaluate populations means this announcement us worth its weight in fish doo doo.

Raven · 01-10-2011, 09:45 PM

so i can catch twice or three times as many fish
JUST take a toke and your rod starts bending
way cool...

MakoMike · 01-11-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by zimmy

Even if he is right about "overfishing", the influence of the commercial interests on the standards for overfishing, combined with insufficient abilities of managers to effectively evaluate populations means this announcement us worth its weight in fish doo doo.

The commercial interest have zero influence over the standards for overfishing, the standards are set by the Science and Statistics committee (SSC), which is composed entirely of NOAA scientists. As far as populations estimates go, all I will say is that they are also done by the scientists and every time one has been reviewed it turns out that they have grossly underestimated the population. Look at pollack and monkfish for an examples.

Mr. Sandman · 01-11-2011, 12:48 PM

You don't really believe that do you? You can't be that naive that there is no comm influence behind the scenes. The final regulations that do get made prove that there is influence.
Maybe they don't have an influence to determine what the definition of "overfishing" is or isn't but they have influence when it comes to the regs.

With regard to numbers of fish accuracy... If they are so good counting, why do we need a sw lic to help them determine the number the sb?

MakoMike · 01-11-2011, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

You don't really believe that do you? You can't be that naive that there is no comm influence behind the scenes. The final regulations that do get made prove that there is influence.
Maybe they don't have an influence to determine what the definition of "overfishing" is or isn't but they have influence when it comes to the regs.

With regard to numbers of fish accuracy... If they are so good counting, why do we need a sw lic to help them determine the number the sb?

Never said they were good at fish counting, in fact I think I implied just the opposite.

I wasn't referring to all regs, just the definition of "overfishing." Have you ever met any members of the SSC? If they worked in computer land they would be called nerds, but since they don't I'll just call them real world challenged. And they are the ones that set the ABC and therefore the definition of overfishing. The council has no choice but to accept their ABC numbers, its the law.My advisory panel meeting are often scheduled right after the SSC meeting so if they run late or I get there early I get to listen to their witty comments on the agenda items. Believe me these people couldn't care less what their decisions do the lives of anyone involved in either the recreational or commercial fishing business.

Chesapeake Bill · 01-12-2011, 07:00 AM

BigFish, Do you think Jane Libchenko fishes? I doubt it.

MakoMike · 01-12-2011, 06:23 PM

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BigFish, Do you think Jane Libchenko fishes? I doubt it.

Do you think Lubchencho has anything to do with setting fishing quotas (ABCs)?

Chesapeake Bill · 01-12-2011, 07:39 PM

Mike,

You caught my mispelling jibe (by the way, there is no h at the end). Sure she has something to do with setting the quota...she oversees the scientists.

There is a saying, "Figures don't lie--but liars figure." I don't buy the commercial interest argument but I also don't believe the data has validity or accuracy. I do believe they are trying their best to use data to drive decisions...however I'm not sure if their best is good enough for the fishery...only time can answer that. Until then trust (and vocalized input) will have to do for me.

Haus · 01-14-2011, 03:35 AM

LOL...seriously