cutting the budget

[scottw]

we've grown the budget and deficit spending to unsustainable proportions so now we're going to cap the budget for 5 years at those unsustainable proportions and the Obama voters will bitch at the Republicans for not making the cuts that they were promised by the Republicans when the Obama voters didn't vote for Republicans and the cuts that they were promised even as the guy that they voted for continues to propose new spending....get it?

if they do make any cuts they'll be called draconians drinking the blood out of little school children for each and every cut....


it's like a guy eating himself to obesity and then telling his doctor after he's been informed that he's about to have a heart attack any second, that he's capping his current eating levels for 5 years because he needs to maintain his 400 pounds and then his wife bitching to the doctor that the doctor is not doing enough

[RIROCKHOUND]

Except that in this case, the Dr (the right) is calling for wide-spread cuts to your diet because your at 400lbs and you're projected to weigh 600lbs, BUT you can only cut out your snacks, you can eat as much at the rest of your meals as you want.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Except that in this case, the Dr (the right) is calling for wide-spread cuts to your diet because your at 400lbs and you're projected to weigh 600lbs, BUT you can only cut out your snacks, you can eat as much at the rest of your meals as you want.

like I said....blame the Doctor...and continue along with status quo fatso..........

how's that Chaffee(best man to lead us forward) budget coming?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Except that in this case, the Dr (the right) is calling for wide-spread cuts to your diet because your at 400lbs and you're projected to weigh 600lbs, BUT you can only cut out your snacks, you can eat as much at the rest of your meals as you want.

You keep suggesting that the right does not think we need to cut the big entitlement programs.

Here's an MSNBC kook suggesting that the left go after John Boehner and Mike Pence for suggesting we may need to raise the age at which we collect social security benefits.

Cenk Uygur: If the Democrats Have Any Sense They'll Make Social Security a Defining Issue for 2010 | Video Cafe

I could have posted a thousand links to liberal op-eds who claim that conservatives hate old people and sick people.

There is no specific plan (yet) to address the entitlements. But conservatives are the only ones talking baout it, and they always get attacked for their honesty. Heck, in the other thread, I mentioned switching pensions to 401(k)s and one of the retired cops said I therefore shouldn't call the police if I need help!! Is that productive dialogue?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You keep suggesting that the right does not think we need to cut the big entitlement programs.

it's very dangerous to go after these goverment teats politically, remember the "Gingrich wants to let your entitlement wither on the vine" episode?....there is great power in having large portions of the electorate dependent on your various Ponzi schemes, particularly if you have no shame when it comes to riling up the dependents against those that you say threaten their place at the teat....it's about as low as you can go but it does work...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

it's very dangerous to go after these goverment teats politically, remember the "Gingrich wants to let your entitlement wither on the vine" episode?....there is great power in having large portions of the electorate dependent on your various Ponzi schemes, particularly if you have no shame when it comes to riling up the dependents against those that you say threaten their place at the teat....it's about as low as you can go but it does work...

I agree with you 100%, this gets back to my whjole point that liberal doctrine DEPENDS upon a large block of voters addicted to liberal entitlements, and then every year at election time, liberals attack any conservative who dares to suggest that we might need to cut entitlements. It's a putrid tactic, but very effective. Again, if we had term limits, no one would care about re-election, so they would have more ability to do the right thing, versus doing the politically correct thing.

I'd love to hear RIROCKHOUND'S take on this. He usually sides with liberals (from my observation), yet he seems to grasp that we need to address these entitlements. So rockhound, if you do indeed think we need to address these entitlements, how do you feel about the left's long-standing practice of demonizing anyone who dares to mention entitlement reform?

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and then every year at election time, liberals attack any conservative who dares to suggest that we might need to cut entitlements.

And most conservative dance around this by saying we need cuts w/o a specific plan because they don't want to lose votes, especially among seniors. It;s putrid on both sides.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'd love to hear RIROCKHOUND'S take on this. He usually sides with liberals (from my observation), yet he seems to grasp that we need to address these entitlements. So rockhound, if you do indeed think we need to address these entitlements, how do you feel about the left's long-standing practice of demonizing anyone who dares to mention entitlement reform?

I just said above, I think both sides like to play this card for politics, thats my opinion on that.

You think all liberals are mentally defective, but a surprising amount of us don't have a problem with some common sense steps. The problem is both sides aren't putting forward seemingly reasonable plans. again, like pensions, we can't start #^&#^&#^&#^&ing with people retired or close to it.

lets start with everyone under 45, raise the SS age by 2 years. or offer more steps where the longer you wait the higher the % you'll receive annually...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

And most conservative dance around this by saying we need cuts w/o a specific plan because they don't want to lose votes, especially among seniors. It;s putrid on both sides.



I just said above, I think both sides like to play this card for politics, thats my opinion on that.

You think all liberals are mentally defective, but a surprising amount of us don't have a problem with some common sense steps. The problem is both sides aren't putting forward seemingly reasonable plans. again, like pensions, we can't start #^&#^&#^&#^&ing with people retired or close to it.

lets start with everyone under 45, raise the SS age by 2 years. or offer more steps where the longer you wait the higher the % you'll receive annually...

Rockhound, have you ever seen a conservative politician or conservative reporter attack a liberal politician for saying that we need to cut entitlements?

If you want to say that conservatives are cowardly for staying away from the issue to avoid being attacked, I agree with you. However, they wouldn't need to be concerned if it weren't for the unfair attacks, and as far as I can tell, on this issue, 100% of the attacks come from the left. 100%. I follow politics closely, and I have never, ever seen a liberal get attacked by a conservative for suggesting entitlement reform.

"a surprising amount of us don't have a problem with some common sense steps"

I have a hard time swallowing that, given who they elect. Harry Reid says that social security is in good financial shape, he gets re-elected. Barney Frank (chairman of the banking committee) says that Fannie and Freddie are great investments, and he gets re-elected.

Which powerful Republicans have been so irrefutably wrong on issues that vital?

[scottw]

I'd look for moral relativism..."all politicians are the same"..."everyone does it"...."they're politicians"..."they all lie" ..."judge not lest ye be judged"..."let he who is without sin cast the first stone"(that was a good one in the Clinton era)....stuff like that...meanwhile...Rome burns



WOW...am I good or what!!!

I honestly didn't see Bryans post till after I'd posted mine....I'm in your head Bry

[Raven]

spending a TRILLION dollars and even more bad money after good
on the failed war on drugs isn't helping our economy.

Even if they only repealed the illegal status of "hemp for fuel"
it would be nice, considering that it has just been reported that
Saudi Arabian oil reserves were over estimated by 40%.