Illegal is not Illegal

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

funny, I don't remember Bush circumventing congress and the American people on this issue...

How is he circumventing Congress?

Reading up on this action I'm not sure what all the controversy is about. Basically it's saying that if you had two illegals, say one who's commited a violent crime and another who has a family member serving in our military...the violent offender would get processed for deportation first.

Obama's position doesn't seem to be all that different than Bush 43 (or even Rick Perry FWIW) although he does seem to be doing a better job of enforcing existing laws. I believe that under Obama overall deportation is up 10% and the number of businesses under investigation has increased 4 times from Bush.

-spence

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by spence

How is he circumventing Congress?

Reading up on this action I'm not sure what all the controversy is about. Basically it's saying that if you had two illegals, say one who's commited a violent crime and another who has a family member serving in our military...the violent offender would get processed for deportation first.

Obama's position doesn't seem to be all that different than Bush 43 (or even Rick Perry FWIW) although he does seem to be doing a better job of enforcing existing laws. I believe that under Obama overall deportation is up 10% and the number of businesses under investigation has increased 4 times from Bush.

-spence

I'm certainly not an Obama supporter by any means but Spence here is right.Under what I generally consider the lamest president of all time,deportations are up.

I've been in the construction biz all my adult life and I've never seen people deported until the last year and a half and we're talking about RI,the most illegal friendly state in the Union.The local restaraunt and construction business' took a big hit in 2011.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by basswipe

I'm certainly not an Obama supporter by any means but Spence here is right.Under what I generally consider the lamest president of all time,deportations are up.

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do you really trust any numbers coming from the Obama admin???

Washington Post

DHS corrects report that overstated ICE deportations under Obama
By Spencer S. Hsu and N.C. Aizenman
Months after reporting that the number of illegal immigrants removed by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement increased 47 percent during President Obama's first year in office, the Department of Homeland Security on Monday corrected the record, saying the actual increase in those deported and "voluntary departures" was 5 percent.

Washington Post

Unusual methods helped ICE break deportation record

Monday, December 6, 2010; 12:08 AM

For much of this year, the Obama administration touted its tougher-than-ever approach to immigration enforcement, culminating in a record number of deportations.

But in reaching 392,862 deportations, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement included more than 19,000 immigrants who had exited the previous fiscal year, according to agency statistics. ICE also ran a Mexican repatriation program five weeks longer than ever before, allowing the agency to count at least 6,500 exits that, without the program, would normally have been tallied by the U.S. Border Patrol.

When ICE officials realized in the final weeks of the fiscal year, which ended Sept. 30, that the agency still was in jeopardy of falling short of last year's mark, it scrambled to reach the goal. Officials quietly directed immigration officers to bypass backlogged immigration courts and time-consuming deportation hearings whenever possible, internal e-mails and interviews show.

Instead, officials told immigration officers to encourage eligible foreign nationals to accept a quick pass to their countries without a negative mark on their immigration record, ICE employees said.

Number Of Illegal Immigrants Grows In 2010
February 8, 2011

The number of illegal immigrants increased by 100,000 last year, according to estimates from the Pew Hispanic Center.

The data reveals that approximately 11.2 million undocumented immigrants, or 3.7 percent of the nation's overall population, were living in the United States in March 2010, which was up from 11.1 million in 2009.

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Scott I don't trust anything about the Obama admin especially numbers but I do trust what I see and I saw many a people deported over the last year.That being said the number of illegals coming in is also up which translates to more deportations.

Many deportations are happening because many of these illegals are committing crimes some of which are high profile and put the spotlight on immigration practices within the government forcing it to put on a show and do something about it.That and people like myself who get angry watching our government piss away our tax dollars giving illegals free this and free that.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by basswipe

That being said the number of illegals coming in is also up which translates to more deportations.

yup

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

How is he circumventing Congress?



-spence

Obama own words indicate very clearly that he was "tempted" to circumvent congress and now his actions show that has in fact chosen to circumvent congress