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[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

Ultimately any fortune, large or small, is built on the backs of others.

-spence

Spence very negative way of looking at it,
typical Liberal "poor me thinking."

I would say any fortune, large or small, is built on the opportunities
provided by others.
Very few grateful for what others have provided for them.

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

I would say any fortune, large or small, is built on the opportunities
provided by others.
Very few grateful for what others have provided for them.

Speaking from professional experience, most employers look to get just what they need from an employee without paying them a dime more than they have to. It's the rare example that actually seeks -- talking corporate culture here -- to get the most out of the people they have.

This isn't liberalism, if anything it's Econ 101.

Some corporate leaders are actually good stewards of their own ships. I wish more were...but we have a corporate culture today that doesn't often punish failure at the top. I guess it's a lot like Congress.

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Speaking from professional experience, most employers look to get just what they need from an employee without paying them a dime more than they have to. It's the rare example that actually seeks -- talking corporate culture here -- to get the most out of the people they have. This isn't liberalism, if anything it's Econ 101.

And ever it shall be. Tis unfortunate that corporations are run by human beings. Hey . . . that could be a new $500 billion Federal Gvt. stimulus funding project--the design and manufacture of corporate CEO robots. They can be programmed to gvt. specs to be compassionate, employee centered, lavish in wage distribution, developers of the mere beings they employ. They can reform corporate culture to a relaxing haven and make it the envy of the boring, stressful, labor intensive, occupations the rest of society must drudge through. Until then . . . thank God most of us don't work for corporations. Gee . . . I wonder why anyone does?

Some corporate leaders are actually good stewards of their own ships. I wish more were...but we have a corporate culture today that doesn't often punish failure at the top. I guess it's a lot like Congress. -spence

Congress, POTUS, SCOTUS, are worse. They exist on the backs of all of us, and are rewarded for constant failure, bickering, Constitution trashing, innovative ways to rack up economy crushing debt.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

Speaking from professional experience, most employers look to get just what they need from an employee without paying them a dime more than they have to. It's the rare example that actually seeks -- talking corporate culture here -- to get the most out of the people they have.




-spence

Of course,companies are out to make $$, grow, make more money, hire more
people and grow some more. That's success and means more opportunties for
more employees and more hiring.No secret here.

I agree corporate culture has changed drasticaly in the tretment of their
employees over the last 15 years as the "60's" "Me Generation has taken
over management in a large number of companies.

Neither changes my "poor me" Lib comment.

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Of course,companies are out to make $$, grow, make more money, hire more people and grow some more. That's success and means more opportunties for more employees and more hiring.No secret here.

Put my response in context of yours that I was responding to, you've got it backwards.

Originally Posted by justplugit View Post
I would say any fortune, large or small, is built on the opportunities
provided by others. Very few grateful for what others have provided for them.

Fortunes are often made by the innovators, risk takers and the fortunate (i.e. also known as the lucky :hihi). It's usually not that they have an opportunity handed to them, they create it, but to fully realize it requires both capital and labor.

I agree corporate culture has changed drasticaly in the tretment of their employees over the last 15 years as the "60's" "Me Generation has taken over management in a large number of companies.

I don't think it has as much to do with the generational shift as it does the ever increasing trend towards "short-term'ism."

We have a market where billions are traded in seconds and everybody lives on a knifes edge. People watch the stock ticker like it's a ball game. Banks are running complex computer models to determine who's small business loan or mortgage is most at risk and should be yanked at the first opportunity.

I think a lot of this has to do with the shifting of our economy towards a more services based market where productivity is much harder to measure. Factories are easy, you've got assets and resources that when managed well produce X amount of product. With a services based economy there's a hierarchy of value that's being speculated on at many levels...it's so freaking complicated few are smart enough to understand it, and those who do typically are scared #^&#^&#^&#^&less.

-spence

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

Fortunes are often made by the innovators, risk takers and the fortunate (i.e. also known as the lucky :hihi). It's usually not that they have an opportunity handed to them, they create it, but to fully realize it requires both capital and labor.



I don't think it has as much to do with the generational shift as it does the ever increasing trend towards "short-term'ism."



-spence

What $ amount do you consider a fortune, or what amount does one need to be wealty in your opinion?

The oportunities I speak of are not monetary but what your ancestors sacraficed so that you could become successful. Genetics aside, how many left everything to come to this country to be free and start over? How many struggled to just eek out a living for their family? These were the things that were done to create opportuniiesnfor thier children.

If you haven't already done so, you will become interested in your "roots" when you
enter your 60's. Delving into your families history, you will find out what I am talking about. There are no self made men without someone who sacraficedfor them or who have been fortunate enough to have great mentors.
Having gratitude for them is a great blessing.

Anyway corporate "shortermism" , they have become that greedy that
there are no longer ten year corporate plans?

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

What $ amount do you consider a fortune, or what amount does one need to be wealty in your opinion?

The context for my remark pertained more to those amassing enough wealth to be considered investors taking more significant risks that create economic growth. Certainly there's a sliding scale here.

Obviously one can be fortunate and very happy without financial wealth.

The oportunities I speak of are not monetary but what your ancestors sacraficed so that you could become successful. Genetics aside, how many left everything to come to this country to be free and start over? How many struggled to just eek out a living for their family? These were the things that were done to create opportuniiesnfor thier children.

And they were certainly risk takers depending on how you look at it.

To the point above though. In the US today, we have children with a lineage of wealth, a lineage of migrants taking risks, a lineage of slaves etc...in some cases the sacrifice was deliberate and in some cases the sacrifice was forced.

If you haven't already done so, you will become interested in your "roots" when you enter your 60's. Delving into your families history, you will find out what I am talking about. There are no self made men without someone who sacraficedfor them or who have been fortunate enough to have great mentors.
Having gratitude for them is a great blessing.

I completely agree, but I think the point is that in many ways that sacrifice is shared among not just a family, but a community or even a country or a league of countries that share similar values. Here you can draw a line...

My father has documented our family genealogy to a pretty good detail. Funny enough one time his travels to dig up family records actually put him and his cousin Terry at the hotel across mine while I was on a business trip. I might have posted Terry's obit a few years ago...if I can find it I'll send it to you, you'd love it.

Anyway corporate "shortermism" , they have become that greedy that there are no longer ten year corporate plans?

There certainly are more conservative companies that have 10 year plans. These (and longer) are more common in Asia. Many though are so reactive to quarterly performance it requires really good leadership to navigate. I work in a sales organization so my exposure is exacerbated by buying cycles. Also, a poor balance sheet will certainly impact your ability to execute a longer term plan.

That being said, so many companies aren't looking very far beyond the horizon...

-spence

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

And they were certainly risk takers depending on how you look at it.


I might have posted Terry's obit a few years ago...if I can find it I'll send it to you, you'd love it.




-spence

Agree,they were risk takers for sure, not sitting around waiting for a
Govt. hand out.

Thanks for the Obit,Spence.
Holy Moses, when did the guy sleep.
He musta known the secret of the "power nap". LOL

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Originally Posted by justplugit

Spence very negative way of looking at it,
typical Liberal "poor me thinking."

I would say any fortune, large or small, is built on the opportunities
provided by others.
Very few grateful for what others have provided for them.

Exactly. I was busy answering Spences response to me while you were posting this, so I didn't see your good words here until I posted mine. You said it better.