Mass Striper decline numbers from NOAA

[afterhours]

[QUOTE=scottw;921350]you make a lot of good points, it's about teaching and changing the culture more than railing "1@36" and "gamefish status" which have had little or no effect apparently on both the regs and the culture....

yes it's ALL about teaching the culture. as in teaching the culture about gamefish status and changing rec regs. this would would have a monumental effect on this fishery.....in a good way .

[scottw]

Originally Posted by afterhours

yes it's ALL about teaching the culture. as in teaching the culture about gamefish status and changing rec regs. this would would have a monumental effect on this fishery.....in a good way .

I was trying to be realistic, I don't think gamefish status is realistic, we can't even get length and limits adjusted. And we can yell all day long about points south and their practices but it's not going to amount to much. Better to focus on what you can directly affect now. Just tossing things around with others the last couple of days a bunch of good ideas have emerged and my eyes have really been opened regarding the depth of sentiment and sometimes lack of reason on all sides. Biggest obstacle to overcome is the sentiment "it's not us/me, it's the other guy that's doing all the damage" together with an entitlement metality in my opinion and I don't exclude myself from guilt in this.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by scottw

I was trying to be realistic, I don't think gamefish status is realistic, we can't even get length and limits adjusted. And we can yell all day long about points south and their practices but it's not going to amount to much. Better to focus on what you can directly affect now. Just tossing things around with others the last couple of days a bunch of good ideas have emerged and my eyes have really been opened regarding the depth of sentiment and sometimes lack of reason on all sides. Biggest obstacle to overcome is the sentiment "it's not us/me, it's the other guy that's doing all the damage" together with an entitlement metality in my opinion and I don't exclude myself from guilt in this.

It would take a paradigm shift, thats for sure.

Let's start easy
1@36"

Cut the commercial take coast-wide by 50%

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

Agian we can go on and on and blame the recs, coms, poachers, etc. If cuts need to be made if a stock is in trouble it should be across the board. I still think were a ways off from striped bass armegedon, if it even happens. Enjoy your season......

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

It would take a paradigm shift, thats for sure.

Let's start easy
1@36"

Cut the commercial take coast-wide by 50%

Exactly.
Why is this complicated?

1@36" for rec/charter. Reduce commercial take.
25% the first year with additional 5% a year reduction for another 5 years.

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Exactly.
Why is this complicated?

1@36" for rec/charter. Reduce commercial take.
25% the first year with additional 5% a year reduction for another 5 years.

I was always for the 1@36" dont know many guys that werent.... Meanwhile its complicated for many, they throw in these slot limits of smaller fish that kill even more fish. (But then they do benefit the average stripers forever flyfishermen).

[Alhbg]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Exactly.
Why is this complicated?

1@36" for rec/charter. Reduce commercial take.
25% the first year with additional 5% a year reduction for another 5 years.

It's all about money. No politician or their appointee will do anything that will be viewed as causing economic hardship.

[MAKAI]

I seldom fish bait, if I do it's with circles. Mostly fish single hook lures, jigs, rubber,tin etc. All the barbs on my plugs are crushed and the rear hooks on pencils are singles. I use fairly heavy tackle so fish isn't coming to me on it's side. Try to release fish while in water if I can.

I wasn't always this way, but if I'm gonna let them go I want to give them the best shot at survival.

I keep 3-4 a year, would rather cod,haddock,seabass,tuna,fluke,flounder and the list goes on. . . .





Once again the real issue isn't the slug of fish out there now, it's the low recruitment stocks behind them for the next 5-6 years.

Before any draconian measures need to be enacted, a coast-wide 1 @ 36 would be a good start. Let's them breed for a few more years before they get culled out. The end game would be better for everybody.

Just an old guy chiming in.

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

I was trying to be realistic, I don't think gamefish status is realistic, we can't even get length and limits adjusted. And we can yell all day long about points south and their practices but it's not going to amount to much. Better to focus on what you can directly affect now.

That's exactly why people want game fish status...because all the bickering over state rec/comm regs doesn't go any where.

-spence