PTSD

[basswipe]

Who so far in this thread has served any time?If you haven't and throw out the "I can only imagine what its like" line, no you can't imagine what its like.

Americans are very different from the rest of the world,we've never had an occupying force in our country EVER.If you say yes we have and quote the Revolutionary War you are an idiot and if say the Civil War you are just plain stupid.

This same type of incident has happened here before and we just spent the last 12yrs fighting two wars because of it.The Afghan people should be pissed,16 non-combatants otherwise known as people are dead at the hands of an American.

You,me and the rest of the world may never no what was in that soldiers head until if ever he decides to speak.Until that time comes if it ever does happen,stop speculating as to the mind set of this soldier.

[GregW]

This whole thing sucks on so many levels.

1) It's horrible that the actions of one person ruin the good and brave deeds of so many others.

2) It is possible this could have been prevented. If what I hear is true, this guy asked for help and was denied and deployed anyway. The doctor who did that should be discharged immediately.

3) Sadly, part of the problem we have with our service members suffering from ptsd can actually be blamed on two major factors. The type of warfare currently being fought(guerilla) is mentally tougher for people to accept. When you have enemy combatants using women and children as human shields and employing them as weapons you have soldiers facing a tough mental state to overcome.
The second reason for abnormally high Ptsd in current (vietnam to current) is actually blamed upon the way they are treated. I remember reading a research paper for school where it was determined that soldiers were able to accept things easier as long as they feel they are getting a fair shake after they returned home. Obviously we saw the ill effects of an asinine public after the Vietnam war.
And to speak further on this, consider this. The average wait time for a disability claim for a veteran right now is over a year. . The American public should be screaming at the politicians for this bull#^&#^&#^&#^&. A soldier volunteers to deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan for very little pay, you get the freedom and you , your son or daughter don't have to be bothered and all it would take is a letter to a senator, but that is too much? It seems like a might easy trade off to me.

I remember last year a very good friend of mine approached me and asked me about my fundraising. He said why aren't these troops getting help through the VA. I told him there is too much BS involved, and sometime people get left behind. That is why I raise money.

Disclaimer: I am not mad, nor do i feel mistreated. I have been very fortunate. This post is not aimed at anyone here, just as a general post on things I think should be improved.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by GregW

It's horrible that the actions of one person ruin the good and brave deeds of so many others.

That is always my reaction - and sympathy for the victims.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by GregW

This whole thing sucks on so many levels.

1) It's horrible that the actions of one person ruin the good and brave deeds of so many others.

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It only tarnishes the actions of everybody else, if we allow it to be spun that way.

Heres what I mean. On the afternoon of 09/11/2001, BUsh was already telling us to be mindful that not all Muslims were responsible, that Islam was a religion of peace. Thst statement, so soon after the attacks, told me a lot about what kind of a guy Bush is.

Compare that to Obama. Obama has apologized to the victims, which of course he should do. But I'd like Obama to IMMEDIATELY follow up that apology with a stern warning to the Muslim world, not to use this as an excuse to kill random Americans. I'd like to see Obama remind the Muslim world, in no uncertain terms, that millions of them are better off now, thanks to the heroic efforts of our military. Maybe he did this, but I haven't seen it. And it's not in his character, in my opinion, to remind folks of the sacrifices we make on their behalf. He's great at apologizing for our faults, I wish he was quicker to brag about our contributions to the world.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

It only tarnishes the actions of everybody else, if we allow it to be spun that way.

Heres what I mean. On the afternoon of 09/11/2001, BUsh was already telling us to be mindful that not all Muslims were responsible, that Islam was a religion of peace. Thst statement, so soon after the attacks, told me a lot about what kind of a guy Bush is.

Compare that to Obama. Obama has apologized to the victims, which of course he should do. But I'd like Obama to IMMEDIATELY follow up that apology with a stern warning to the Muslim world, not to use this as an excuse to kill random Americans. I'd like to see Obama remind the Muslim world, in no uncertain terms, that millions of them are better off now, thanks to the heroic efforts of our military. Maybe he did this, but I haven't seen it. And it's not in his character, in my opinion, to remind folks of the sacrifices we make on their behalf. He's great at apologizing for our faults, I wish he was quicker to brag about our contributions to the world.

Awesome, blame Obama.

Go away.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

Awesome, blame Obama.

Go away.

Are you feeling all right? I didn't blame him for what happened. If you read my post (rather, if you were able to comprehend it), you'd see that I said he was absolutely right to apologize.

I give him credit where it's due (for example, for killing terrorists). I don't like his obvious disdain for traditional American values and policies, and I think he's completely incompetent (borderline insane) with economic policy.

Your keen insight is appreciated as always...

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Are you feeling all right? I didn't blame him for what happened. If you read my post (rather, if you were able to comprehend it), you'd see that I said he was absolutely right to apologize.

I give him credit where it's due (for example, for killing terrorists). I don't like his obvious disdain for traditional American values and policies, and I think he's completely incompetent (borderline insane) with economic policy.

Your keen insight is appreciated as always...

This thread has nothing to do with Obama, it has to do with PTSD. GTFO.

[JohnR]

Jim in CT , Likwid - both of you lighten up a bit please. Argue the facts but please in a less negative manner.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

It only tarnishes the actions of everybody else, if we allow it to be spun that way.

So when you blame all liberals for the people harassing scalia, you were spinning?