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Jim, Your posts are so full of hate. I don't think I have ever seen someone with so much hate. We know you "detest" the pres. I can't think of a person I've ever destested. I really think it must be horible to have so much hate inside you that you can actually detest someone b/c of their politics. As I've said before, I'm thankfull that I was raised to never have the hate you seem to have.
Do your kids hear you talk politics with the anger you seem to always post with - I hope not.
Jim, Your posts are so full of hate. I don't think I have ever seen someone with so much hate. We know you "detest" the pres. I can't think of a person I've ever destested. I really think it must be horible to have so much hate inside you that you can actually detest someone b/c of their politics. As I've said before, I'm thankfull that I was raised to never have the hate you seem to have.
Do your kids hear you talk politics with the anger you seem to always post with - I hope not.
Don't confuse justifiable contempt, with hate. I'm not angry, I'm afraid. I'm afraid that when my kids graduate from college, they'll be looking at federal income tax rates of 60%.
PaulS, our debt, including shortfalls to SS and Medicare, is north of $60 trillion, that's trillion with a "t". One side, my side, puts out a budget (Ryan's budget) that proposes one way to try to address this.
What does your side do? Do they propose an alternative? Hell, no. All they do is accuse Ryan of hating old people and poor people. They film a commercial showing Ryan push a wheelchair-bound old lady off a cliff?
you tell me, Paul...what do you think of that? In my opinion, libs are doging the issue because they are too cowardly to tell their constituents (people on the public teet) that the well is dry and we need a major overhaul. So instead of doing what's hard and important (proposing a solution), they take the easy way out, and make their base more afraid of the boogeyman GOP.
You go ahead and tell me that's an inaccurate assessment...
Jim, it comes across as hate. And when many people see that they feel that there is no point in discussing anything further.
Your last para. can easily be flipped and the same thing said about the cons. The hard choice is to have tax incr. AND spending cuts. The cons. have signed pledges that they will not raise taxes $.01 and if they do, Grover N. will be on every talking head's show that night. You might not realize it but there are lots of people on the "public teet" who are not libs. Look at the whole mid - west. They get far more in taxes back then they pay in taxes.
Jim, it comes across as hate. And when many people see that they feel that there is no point in discussing anything further.
Your last para. can easily be flipped and the same thing said about the cons. The hard choice is to have tax incr. AND spending cuts. The cons. have signed pledges that they will not raise taxes $.01 and if they do, Grover N. will be on every talking head's show that night. You might not realize it but there are lots of people on the "public teet" who are not libs. Look at the whole mid - west. They get far more in taxes back then they pay in taxes.
"The hard choice is to have tax incr. AND spending cuts"
I agree 100 percent!
(1) WHERE is the proposed democratic budget that calls for significant tax hikes and significant spending cuts? Nowhere, that's where. THey absolutely have not proposed such a budget.
(2) if you do the math, there is NO WAY we can generate anywhere near $60 trillion of additional tax revenue in the next, say, 50 years. I agree we need more tax revenue, but the vast majority has to come from spending. Paul, in 2012, we're adding another trillion to the deficit. It would be almost impossible to generate enough additional tax revenue just to break even for this year alone, let alone start making a dent in the debt.
I have heard Obama say that if we eliminate the Bush tax cuts on the rich, that might generate another $90 billion in revenue. Let's examine that.
As I said, in the upcoming year, Obama is spending $1 trillion more then he takes in. So even IF we did get that additional $90 billion, that's less than one-tenth of what we need just to break even this year, nowhere near enough to pay down any of our existing debt.
But let's pretend there is no deficit this year (which as I said, there is). Let's pretend that every penny of that $90 billion would be allocated to pay down our debt (which it wouldn't, some would be spent on other pet projects), and let's pretend we don't have to pay any interest on that $60 trillion (which we do). Do the math...if we reduce that $60 trillion debt by $90 billion a year, it will take 667 years to pay down that debt. 667 years.
Conclusion: tax hikes are so insignificant, it's almost not worth talking about. The vast majority of the fix, therefore, has to be spending cuts.
(3) I agree we need additional tax revenue. When liberals want more revenue, they automatically think of increasing rates. But Clinton and Bush showed us that, in certain situations, lowering tax rates can increase tax revenue. If you lower tax rates, but the economy grows by more than the tax cut, you get more revenue. That's win-win. Obviously, there is such a thing as tax rates that are too low. But liberals seem to think that if you increase tax rates by x%, you will automatically increase tax revenue by the same x%. That's demonstrably false.
No hate in this post, right? Just verifiable numbers.
[QUOTE=Jim in CT;942864No hate in this post, right? Just verifiable numbers.
What do you think?[/QUOTE]
I might not agree w/your #s but certainly think that was a good post.
From all indications Obama and Boehner where close on a budget agreement but due to apparent misteps by both of them it fell apart. I always thought the group of six was our best hope. I
I might not agree w/your #s but certainly think that was a good post.
From all indications Obama and Boehner where close on a budget agreement but due to apparent misteps by both of them it fell apart. I always thought the group of six was our best hope. I
Paul, on what basis do you disagree with my numbers?! You're entitled to your own opinions, none of us are entitled to our own facts. You cannot dismiss my numbers just because you don't like the story they tell. In my opinion, that's exactly, precisely, what liberals do.
There are still tons of properties owned by banks due to foreclosure (REO's). I'm certainly not for foreclosures on folks with economic problems , but I don't quite get what's wrong with someone turning these houses around after foreclosure and putting them back on the market? Costs to local communities in terms of police & fire protection of vacant property as well as lowering of neighborhood property values is a serious problem that can only be addressed when these properties are back in the hands of new owners.
There are still tons of properties owned by banks due to foreclosure (REO's). I'm certainly not for foreclosures on folks with economic problems , but I don't quite get what's wrong with someone turning these houses around after foreclosure and putting them back on the market? Costs to local communities in terms of police & fire protection of vacant property as well as lowering of neighborhood property values is a serious problem that can only be addressed when these properties are back in the hands of new owners.
there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
But at the same time you cant be calling all banks evil for foreclosures and then doing business with them on foreclosures. Its a credibility thing.
there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
But at the same time you cant be calling all banks evil for foreclosures and then doing business with them on foreclosures. Its a credibility thing.
EXACTLY. Liz Warren did nothing wrong. However, since she profits from the misfortune of others, she cannot be taken seriously for attacking anyone else for doing the same. Liz Warren has joined liberals on the warpath against rich folks (being a Native American, she's comfortable on the warpath, you see) for taking advantage of the poor.
You cannot be more hypocritical than that. She attacks banks for predatory lending, yet when those "predator" banks foreclose on their "victims", she swoops in to profit by it?
Jim, when I said I might not agree w/your #s it was b/c I didn't review them that closely, nor could I tell you the amount of rev./expend/deficit, etc. The current level of spending is unsustainable but when the economy starts to pick up steam and unempl. goes down, expenditures could down and taxes will incr.
What if Warren, bought crack dens, fixed them up and sold them to families which helped stabilize the neighborhood?
Jim, when I said I might not agree w/your #s it was b/c I didn't review them that closely, nor could I tell you the amount of rev./expend/deficit, etc. The current level of spending is unsustainable but when the economy starts to pick up steam and unempl. goes down, expenditures could down and taxes will incr.
What if Warren, bought crack dens, fixed them up and sold them to families which helped stabilize the neighborhood?
"when the economy starts to pick up steam and unempl. goes down, expenditures could down and taxes will incr. "
Paul, we are $60 trillion underwater (at least). There are 300 million Americans. That works out to $200,000 apiece. Do some math. We could re-live the roaring twenties, and tax revenues will increase, but NOWHERE NEAR $60 trillion. We can never, ever tax our way out of this. Not even close.
What have the Dems proposed? Tax hikes that, even if they produce the expected revenue (a very big "if"), are utterly meaningless. The Dems refuse to have an honest conversation about this, because it's easier to paint Paul Ryan as the boogeyman. That's why I detest them.
Dems act like all we need to do is tweak tax rates on the zillionaires, and we'd be all set. If it were that easy, no one would be opposed to it. Paul Ryan's proposed budget calls for spending cuts (admittedly painful cuts) of trillions of dollars. What is the democrat proposal? Paul, I'm asking you, what is their proposal? Where is it, what is in it?
It's nowhere. They (including Obama) choose to put their hands over their ears, and call conservatives "mean" who are honest enough to admit the painful truth.
Liberals know what needs to be done, they know it, but they don't have the political will to do it. This will inevitably harm future generations. That's why I detest them.
"What if Warren, bought crack dens, fixed them up and sold them to families which helped stabilize the neighborhood?"
That would obviously be commendable. But when she (and like-minded liberals) attack rich people, i don't hear them allowing for the possibility that some of those rich folks do an awful lot of good.
Paul, liberals can't have it both ways. Liz Warren cannot tell me that rich liberals are noble, but I should be afraid of rich conservatives.
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I never heard her or anyone else in the "public" sphere attack anyone for being rich. That's a bunch of BS "Class Warfare" rhetoric. Low capital gains tax rate, putting folks out of work to make a buck, subsidies for successful industry ...yes. I wish I was rich...I frankly wish everyone was rich, but the reality is that someone has to clean the pool and take out the trash and it's simply a case of fairness that you don't balance the budget on the backs of those at the bottom rung of the income ladder.
I never heard her or anyone else in the "public" sphere attack anyone for being rich. That's a bunch of BS "Class Warfare" rhetoric. .
serioulsy? Where were you during all the Occupy Wall St protests? Did you see all the Dems and Media people supoprting them? Warren clearly said she supports them and their cause.
"I support the message to the establishment," House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said on ABC's "This Week." "Change has to happen. We cannot continue in a way that does not -- that is not relevant to their lives. People are angry."
To Democrats eager for a liberal antidote to the Tea Party energy that lifted Republicans to power last year, the "Occupy" rallies that started in New York last month and have spread to cities nationwide are tempting to embrace.
“Protestors are assembling in New York and around the country to let billionaires, big oil and big bankers know that we’re not going to let the richest 1% force draconian economic policies and massive cuts to crucial programs on Main Street Americans,” the group, the campaign arm of House Democrats, wrote.
I can keep googling but there is tons of evidence of the public sphere attacking the rich.
Yes seriously...and I'm sure she does support their cause. And their cause is just what I said it was....spin it as you like, but the issue is unfairness of a system that is weighted towards the money....not that some have more.
Yes seriously...and I'm sure she does support their cause. And their cause is just what I said it was....spin it as you like, but the issue is unfairness of a system that is weighted towards the money....not that some have more.
ok - not worthy of a reply. Enjoy your world of unicorns and rainbows.
Tears in my eyes. 
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