Penn State penalties

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by Saltheart

Vacating wins is stupid. Those games were won on the field so call them what..vacated wins??? rediculous.

The ability for players to transfer without losing a year is big. My guess is all the real talent gets out of Dodge. Immediate impact on program.

60 Million...At 3 times that I bet PSU wishes it could just buy there way out of it without the other sanctions.

Loss of scholarships is big. Essentially they will lose all their current talent to transfers and be able to recruit nothing but second or third tier players even with the scholarships that remain. Same applies to the ban on bowl appearances. No top players will want to go there , scholarships or not.

I still say the blame for all this damage to Penn State lies with the University President. He knew , he's their intellectual who is supposed to make decisions like this. No way this kind of decision should be left up to a guy who's qualifications are he's a football coach , regardless how good , famous , iconic. If this were harvard or Yale and the university Presidents knew the details of such a scandal , do you tghink they would be head hunting for the football coach?

Police are next on my hit list. They should have at least made the accusations public even if there was not enough evidence to prosecute. once made public , other possible victims may have come forward and provided enough substance to further pursue the original charges.

Lastly , Paterno definitely F'ed up by being a part of the PSU administrative team who decided to keep it quiet, along with the President , VP , Athletic Director and apparently the board of Trustees. What were they thinking?? Maybe he led the cover up? Maybe he was told by the president and the board to be quiet and that they would handle it then never did anything? Maybe he was just a football coach , intellectually unequiped to see this whole thing clearly and became a totally misguided team player. All those answers went to the grave with him but one thing is for sure , he F'ed up.

Intellectually unequipped? The guy graduated from Brown, for cryinoutloud. Back in the day when you had to earn an Ivy League diploma. Even today, jocks have to pass admission standards and attend classes at the Ivies, and carry a minimum 2.0.

Stop making excuses for Paterno. The guy had more power than the university president and the trustees. Why do you think he was allowed to coach until he broke Eddie Robinson's record in the first place?

[Saltheart]

Originally Posted by Mike P

Intellectually unequipped? The guy graduated from Brown, for cryinoutloud. Back in the day when you had to earn an Ivy League diploma. Even today, jocks have to pass admission standards and attend classes at the Ivies, and carry a minimum 2.0.

Stop making excuses for Paterno. The guy had more power than the university president and the trustees. Why do you think he was allowed to coach until he broke Eddie Robinson's record in the first place?

We all have our own way of looking at it. Your entitled to yours , I'm entitled to mine.

Its easy to point the finger at the dead guy who cannot speak in his own defense. I can envision a large group of conspirators all sitting around thinking "we are so lucky Paterno died , if he were alive to tell his side of the story we would be the ones with all the hate aimed at us. Thank God that dead men tell no tales."

There's more to this than has come out so far. If your desire for blood is satiated by blaming the dead guy you just may be missing the boat as to who really is most responsible for this.

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by Saltheart

We all have our own way of looking at it. Your entitled to yours , I'm entitled to mine.

Its easy to point the finger at the dead guy who cannot speak in his own defense. I can envision a large group of conspirators all sitting around thinking "we are so lucky Paterno died , if he were alive to tell his side of the story we would be the ones with all the hate aimed at us. Thank God that dead men tell no tales."

There's more to this than has come out so far. If your desire for blood is satiated by blaming the dead guy you just may be missing the boat as to who really is most responsible for this.

Mike---put the pitcher of Joe Pa Kool-Aid down, and accept the fact that there is overwhelming evidence that Paterno knew what Sandusky was doing back in 1998, and not only didn't alert the authorities, but engaged in a deliberate cover-up to protect the reputation of his football program. This is what is at the heart of the Freeh investigation, and why they took his statue down, and why the football program is being hit with unprecedentedly severe sanctions. If it was the president's and trustees' fault, the football program would not have been penalized---or at least, not to that degree.

In my business, we call stuff like this obstruction of justice, and accessory to a crime. Based on what we now know, if he hadn't died, Paterno could have easily been prosecuted for being an accessory after the fact for the abuses that took place prior to 1998, and accessory before the fact for the ones after 1998. What he did wasn't all that much different than helping a killer dispose of the murder weapon. Every time thereafter, when he saw Sandusky in a locker room, or at a game, with a young boy at his side, the old bastard HAD TO KNOW what Sandusky's plan with that boy was. And his continued silence, and active cover-up, assisted Sandusky in carrying out those plans.

[bart]

Originally Posted by Mike P

Mike---put the pitcher of Joe Pa Kool-Aid down, and accept the fact that there is overwhelming evidence that Paterno knew what Sandusky was doing back in 1998, and not only didn't alert the authorities, but engaged in a deliberate cover-up to protect the reputation of his football program. This is what is at the heart of the Freeh investigation, and why they took his statue down, and why the football program is being hit with unprecedentedly severe sanctions. If it was the president's and trustees' fault, the football program would not have been penalized---or at least, not to that degree.

In my business, we call stuff like this obstruction of justice, and accessory to a crime. Based on what we now know, if he hadn't died, Paterno could have easily been prosecuted for being an accessory after the fact for the abuses that took place prior to 1998, and accessory before the fact for the ones after 1998. What he did wasn't all that much different than helping a killer dispose of the murder weapon. Every time thereafter, when he saw Sandusky in a locker room, or at a game, with a young boy at his side, the old bastard HAD TO KNOW what Sandusky's plan with that boy was. And his continued silence, and active cover-up, assisted Sandusky in carrying out those plans.

I completely agree with everything you said in this post.

[basswipe]

I am absolutely dumbfounded that there are people who are still defending Paterno.

[Squid kids Dad]

Originally Posted by basswipe

I am absolutely dumbfounded that there are people who are still defending Paterno.

I totally agree..How can anyone think Paterno had nothing to do with the cover up..If he acted on the info he had back in 98 look how many boys would have been saved..

[afterhours]

i feel terrible for the victims of this monster. i also feel bad for todays kids at psu. imo it seems that people who weren't around are being punished. i think that anyone associated with psu admin, campus police, football people at the time of this should be investigated, tried if need be, and terminated. taking the wins away at least takes the man who enabled the monster out of the record books. i also like that the fine(should have been at least doubled) to be set up as an anti abuse endowment. with that said it seems like they're punishing the many for the crimes of the few.