Bachmann

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

The Repubs. have a long history of this. I bet she has West on her speed dial. Another good one is to claim someone hates the Constituion. As someone mentioned, McCarthyism as its best. Other than John M., I haven't heard any Rs denouncing her. It prob. helped out the re-elect. bank acct.

"The Repubs. have a long history of this"

Wow. I mean, wow.

Paul, time and time again, you criticize me for taking the actions of one or two liberals, and blaming all liberals for that. Please tell me how that's any fifferent from what you've done here.

"Other than John M., I haven't heard any Rs denouncing her. "

Then you need to stop getting all of your information from radical liberal sources. Hordes of Republicans have denounced her. And I'm proud of those Republicans, good for them.

When Democratic congressman Alan Grayson of Florida said that Republicans wanted sick people to die, how many Democrats spoke out against him?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"The Repubs. have a long history of this"

Wow. I mean, wow. Wow Wow???What are you a little kid?

Paul, time and time again, you criticize me for taking the actions of one or two liberals, and blaming all liberals for that. Please tell me how that's any fifferent from what you've done here. Look at amount of times it has happened. We can go on and on. The word Socialist has lost its meaning with the amount of times it has been used in the last 4 years. When you have a huge % of people actually stupid enough to believe the Pres. of the United States wasn't born here, that must tell you something about the cons. - doesn't it? As if when Obama was in the Senate and on the Senate foreign relations committee, the FBI didn't check into his background. Do we need to do a list of times again when Rep./Dems made stupid aqusations about the other party? Remember when you wanted to compare the amount of prominant Rep/Dems politicians who called into talk shows and I showed Bush called in many times while actually in office to Limbaugh. Your list had minor politicians (and Carter 15 years after he was out of office

"Other than John M., I haven't heard any Rs denouncing her. "

Then you need to stop getting all of your information from radical liberal sources. I don't visit radical sites - really none at all - just this one where I see the radical 3% (that is you by the way) CNN and the NYT (those prob. qualify in your mind. Hordes of Republicans have denounced her. And I'm proud of those Republicans, good for them. I only saw McCain on ABC (I guess to you that is a radical site). When ScottW said others did, I thanked him and said it was good when pol. on both sides call out crazy statements.

When Democratic congressman Alan Grayson of Florida said that Republicans wanted sick people to die, how many Democrats spoke out against him?

Don't know but wasn't it asked at a Repub. rally what should happen if someone was dying with no insurance and someone yelled "let him die" and the whole crowd started cheering? Lordy Lordy, where have all the compassionate cons. gone?

[Jim in CT]

PaulS -

"Don't know ..."

Paul, the oceans could be filled with the many things you don't know...

"Don't know but wasn't it asked at a Repub. rally what should happen if someone was dying with no insurance and someone yelled "let him die" and the whole crowd started cheering?...where have all the compassionate cons. gone?"

Let's dissect this statement...

First you admit you don't have any facts...but that doesn't stop you from assuming there was one single incident where a crowd applauded that sick people should die. Then, you take that incident (which you probably invented) and you use it to assume that all conservatives feel the same way.

You have hit a breathtaking new low with this post. Breathtaking.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

PaulS -
First you admit you don't have any facts...but that doesn't stop you from assuming there was one single incident where a crowd applauded that sick people should die. Then, you take that incident (which you probably invented) and you use it to assume that all conservatives feel the same way.

He didn't invent it.
It was a conservative high point, like when the active service member who happens to be gay was booed for asking a question at a debate.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

He didn't invent it.
It was a conservative high point, like when the active service member who happens to be gay was booed for asking a question at a debate.

Please show me where a group of ifluential conservatives gave anyone the impression that conservatives want sick people to die. Do you really think that's part of the conservative platform?


If that event took place, it wasn't a "conservative" high point, it wasn't a "conservative" anything. I expect that from Paul, he's incapable of rising above that. You're better than that.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Please show me where a group of ifluential conservatives gave anyone the impression that conservatives want sick people to die. Do you really think that's part of the conservative platform?


If that event took place, it wasn't a "conservative" high point, it wasn't a "conservative" anything. I expect that from Paul, he's incapable of rising above that. You're better than that.

The point is they both did take place.
So they aren't influential conservatives, but you (and others on the right) are quick to judge the left based on Occupy and others... I don't see the distinction. Both probably represent the fringe of the idealogy...


"Let him die": A debate question exposes the incoherence—and cowardice—of the Republican candidates' opposition to Obamacare. - Slate Magazine

Gay Soldier Booed By GOP Debate Audience | New York Daily News

I didn't read the articles other than to know they cite the time and place of these events. Slate and NYDayily news are not in my daily reading....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

The point is they both did take place.
So they aren't influential conservatives, but you (and others on the right) are quick to judge the left based on Occupy and others... I don't see the distinction. Both probably represent the fringe of the idealogy...


"Let him die": A debate question exposes the incoherence—and cowardice—of the Republican candidates' opposition to Obamacare. - Slate Magazine

Gay Soldier Booed By GOP Debate Audience | New York Daily News

I didn't read the articles other than to know they cite the time and place of these events. Slate and NYDayily news are not in my daily reading....

Here's the distinction..I have never heard large numbers of influential liberals decry the actions of Occupy Wall Street...all I hear is liberals complimenting them. Which makes me think that according to most liberals, their actions are within the scope of liberal ideology. Almost every time large numbers of liberals get together, PARTICULARLY when they are protesting something, there is anarchy. You didn't see that with the Tea Party rallies, you just didn't.

Most conservatives would be appalled at the notion of someone applauding that a sick person should die. Most liberals don't seem to have issues with Occupy Wall Street crowds.

That's the distinction. And it's a major distinction.

You disagree with my observation there?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

The point is they both did take place.

I didn't read the articles other than to know they cite the time and place of these events. ....

that always a great qualifier when you are providing them as evidence that others should read to prove your point

I'm very curious to know how many here that are so deeply offended by the Bachmann et al letter actually read the letter? it's available to read as it was distributed to a number of agencies and made available to the public...hope the same people that are always suggesting that the idiot masses don't read past the headlines and are duped by out of context quips on Fox News actually did a little reading on their own

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

PaulS -

"Don't know ..."

Paul, the oceans could be filled with the many things you don't know...

"Don't know but wasn't it asked at a Repub. rally what should happen if someone was dying with no insurance and someone yelled "let him die" and the whole crowd started cheering?...where have all the compassionate cons. gone?"

Let's dissect this statement...

First you admit you don't have any facts...but that doesn't stop you from assuming there was one single incident where a crowd applauded that sick people should die. Then, you take that incident (which you probably invented) and you use it to assume that all conservatives feel the same way.

You have hit a breathtaking new low with this post. Breathtaking.

Was the gist of the quote correct or not - It was correct so your full statement has no merit. So what was breathtaking? - I admitted that I wasn't sure where it was (was it a political stop, a debate, etc). The facts of where it was doesn't matter, the fact that it took place is what matters. It was a Ron Paul rally - so why don't you apologize since I was right and you were wrong (and I won't act like a little child and make a snide comment as you usually do).

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

It was a Ron Paul rally .

Unbelievable...

Ron Paul, for your information, does not speak for conservatives. He specifically claims that his ideology is an alternative to conservative values. He speaks for a portion of people (on the fringe) who call themselves libertarians. There are massive ideological differences between Ron Paul's followers and true conservatives.

Equating Ron Paul's agenda with conservatives makes far less sense than for me to say all liberals think like Al Sharpton. Al Sharpton calls himself a progressive Democrat. Ron Paul goes out of his way to differentiate himself from the conservative wing of the Republican party.

For the record Paul and RIROCKHOUND...true conservatives care a great deal about thje sick and the poor. That's precisely why, in the study done called "Who Realy Cares", ABC News reported that conservatives donate more time and money to charity than liberals.

Who Gives and Who Doesn't? - ABC News

Can we try to be honest and rational here for 5 seconds?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Was the gist of the quote correct or not ).

No, the gist of your quote wasn't anywhere near correct. A small number of idiots do not speak for the majority of conservatives.

Paul, conservatives care deeply about the following...

• life (the unborn are precious and irreplaceable)
• fiscal responsibility (we are currently > $40 trillion in the hole, counting entitlement programs
• limited federal govt
• promoting individual liberty
• strong national defense
• charity for those in need
• support of free market capitalism

Rather than debate the merits of any of these, you seem content to find one or two idiots in our midst (which is easy in any large group), paint all of us with the same brush, and dismiss us as racists, homophobes, sexists, anti-poor, or some other insulting hate-monger.

To get back to the original intent of this thread, Bachman appears to have really stepped in it. I'm glad to see huge numbers of influential Republicans call her out on it. Maybe the liberals can try to do the same the next time some Democratic idiot declares that conservatives are waging war on women, or war against the middle class, or calling us all a bunch of Islamophobes. Maybe that'll happen. But I'm not holding my breath...

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Don't know but wasn't it asked at a Repub. rally what should happen if someone was dying with no insurance and someone yelled "let him die" and the whole crowd started cheering? Lordy Lordy, where have all the compassionate cons. gone?

There is my quote

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Please show me where a group of ifluential conservatives gave anyone the impression that conservatives want sick people to die. Do you really think that's part of the conservative platform? Look it up, it happened. I never said it was part of the cons. platform - did I? Go back and re-read my quote or look above as I've quoted it for you.


If that event took placeWhich it did., it wasn't a "conservative" high point, it wasn't a "conservative" anythingSee your anger is getting you so mad, you don't know who said what. . I expect that from Paul, he's incapable of rising above thatReally, again, look at almost all my posts - they're in direct response to your numerous comments where you criticize libs (which is fine) but always add some insult. . You're better than that.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

No, the gist of your quote wasn't anywhere near correct. So show me where I was wrong. And since it was correct, why don't you apologize. I mentioned in another thread that you called a woman a vile name. You stated that you didn't. Rather than look for it, I apologized (Of course w/in a few days, I called you out for calling a woman a vile name - maybe it was Rachel Madow???). Since you are wrong, you should just apologize. A small number of idiots do not speak for the majority of conservatives I agree, just as a small group of iditots do not speak for the majority of libs..

Rather than debate the merits of any of these, you seem content to find one or two idiots in our midst (which is easy in any large group), paint all of us with the same brush, isn't that what you do? Criticize the Dems for walking out on the gun running vote (b/c they thought it was political) yet Spence showed you that the Repubs. did the same thing. Yet you ignore that.

Jim, You fail to see that I just do exactly what you do and then you get mad.

By the way, where do you get the list that you copied from?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

By the way, where do you get the list that you copied from?

Any rational conservative will tell you that list represents what's important to them.

Paul, let me ask you, what do you think are the core principles of conservative ideology? In all seriousness and honesty, what is it that you think we wish to acomplish?