The GOP

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

The republicans have no one to blame but them selves for the loss...we R in the 21st century, U do not tell a woman what she can and can't do with their body.... can not tell a woman she can not abort a fetues regardless of how one feels about it...we R a diverse nation racially and ethicnally recognising several ethnic groups....did U ever notice the makeup of people at Romney's rallies...98% white...U really had to look hard to see an indian, black or asian at any....repubs need to change their platform to conform with today's way of life

"we R in the 21st century"

Two years ago, I believe we were still in the same century, and the GOp opened up an historic can of whoop-ass.

"U do not tell a woman what she can and can't do with their body"

This is very important. The abortion issue is not about telling a woman what she can do with her body...it is about the baby...here is what I mean by that.

Every state has laws that prohibit female teachers from having sex with underage male students. You said you don't tell a woman what to do with her body. So are you therefore opposed to these laws that limit the choices a woman can make regarding her own body?

Like anti-abortion laws, those are laws that tell women what they cannot do with their body. Yet I have never, not once, heard a liberal saying those laws should be overturned because "government can't tell a women what to do with her body". Why doesn't anyone suggest that?

Simple. Because in this case, we all agree that a woman cannot choose what to do with her own body, if that choice causes harm to another person.

The pro-life argument is based on the same exact premise. The same exact premise.

Abortion isn't about women's choice, no more than laws that prohibit female teachers from having sex with male students are about "women's choice". Its about whether or not the unborn baby constitutes "another person" who has the same rights that you and I have.

The GOP didn't lose this election on abortion. The latest polling shows that a very, very small number of Americans are now opposed to abortion.

"repubs need to change their platform to conform with today's way of life"

Again, did you forget what happened only 2 years ago? Furthermore, the popular vote for President was 51-49. It was not a rout.

The GOP doesn't need to change it's beliefs. We need to tell those demographic groups you mention why our beliefs are better for them, than liberal beliefs. That's tough to do when every network except for one, claims that we hate women, hate gays, are cannibals, etc...

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Every state has laws that prohibit female teachers from having sex with underage male students. You said you don't tell a woman what to do with her body. So are you therefore opposed to these laws that limit the choices a woman can make regarding her own body?

Uhm, those laws are to protect children. You'll twist ANYTHING to fit your agenda won't you?

The GOP doesn't need to change it's beliefs. We need to tell those demographic groups you mention why our beliefs are better for them, than liberal beliefs. That's tough to do when every network except for one, claims that we hate women, hate gays, are cannibals, etc...

Yes Jim, we know, you're always right, your opinions are the only ones that matter, you're the best person on earth, everyone else is wrong.

[spence]

Originally Posted by likwid

Uhm, those laws are to protect children. You'll twist ANYTHING to fit your agenda won't you?

Well, I'd wager that Jim believes a handful of cells just after conception is also I child.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, I'd wager that Jim believes a handful of cells just after conception is also I child.

-spence

it's how you started out isn't it?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, I'd wager that Jim believes a handful of cells just after conception is also I child.

-spence

Spence, do most liberals only support abortion up until "just after conception"? Hell, no. So what's your point? Your hero Obama literally supported the right of women to kill their babies afetr they were born, out of the womb and disconnected from the mother.

So you tell me Spence, which position is the more monstrous? Mine, or Obama's? My position is born out of compassion for the defenseless. Obama's position is literally, truly, monstrous. Snack on that.

Spence, have you seen a 5-month ultrasound? Is that a "handful of cells"?

Spence, are you up for an honest exercise? Can you answer ONE DIRECT QUESTION?

Spence, at what point do you think abortion (at least 'convenience' abortions) should be illegal?

Let's say you say abortion is legal until 7 months. Why 7 months? What's magical about that time? What happens one second before that, that turns the baby into a human being at the next second? Do the head and shoulders suddenly pop out at that moment? No. That's why picking a random time, at which you call the baby a 'person', makes no sense. None.

From conception until death, life is a slow, gradual, continuous process. There is only one moment when something gets created that wasn't there before - the moment of conception.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

Uhm, those laws are to protect children. You'll twist ANYTHING to fit your agenda won't you?


Yes Jim, we know, you're always right, your opinions are the only ones that matter, you're the best person on earth, everyone else is wrong.

I'm not twisting anything. I'm saying the 2 are, if not identical, then they are analagous. The death penalty is the same thing (which I am opposed to). I feel that excedpt in true self-defense, the taking of life is not our right.

Likwid, liberals believe that Osama Bin Laden has more of a right to live, than un unborn baby. Try defending that.


I never said I'm a;ways right. These are tough issues. What I said was, liberals should have the intellectual honesty of framing the argument correctly. What I mean is this...you should not claim that I am anti-choice, because that means you are also anti-choice in the case of statutory rape.

Abortion isn't about choice. It's about whether or not you believe the unborn has rights. Liberals like to frame it as about choice, and it's dishonest. Because I'm sure you're opposed to women chosing to use their bodies to hurt babies, right?