It's time for us to take more serious action here ...

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by likwid

We're not the world police.
Someone else can deal with them.

Ted,with the number of troops we have stationed in SK do you think we would just turn our backs and leave if we are attacked?Better yet,do YOU think we should?

[BigFish]

Pull out of the middle east and let the dogs tear each other apart! And leave Asia to its own devices...they live there...we do not! When two big dogs get their backs up....let them fight!!

[Raven]

you cannot just pre emptively wipe them off the face of the earth
before they fire the first missle....

if we did that we would be in the wrong and then
have earned the imperialist bad guys name

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Raven

you cannot just pre emptively wipe them off the face of the earth
before they fire the first missle....

if we did that we would be in the wrong and then
have earned the imperialist bad guys name

"you cannot just pre emptively wipe them off the face of the earth
before they fire the first missle"

The hell you can't.

There is no international law, no section of the Geneva Convention, no particle of common sense, that says you let the other guy punch you in the nose first, before you hit back.

How many lives would you be willing to sacrifice before you gave the order? You'd wait for a missile to land in Manhattan before you retaliate?

I'm not saying it's going to come to that. I'm saying there's no glory in letting the other guy break your nose before you put your hands up and take a swing.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by BigFish

Pull out of the middle east and let the dogs tear each other apart!
And leave Asia to its own devices...they live there...we do not!
When two big dogs get their backs up....let them fight!!

you can do that LARRY but the problem is the radioactive waste cloud
would drift over here pretty fast....
the same as the smog hitting california coast from china lately...

i am suspicious that the dying seals might be an indicator of spilled
radio active waters from japan...having an effect down the food chain
the same as toads and frogs abnormalities/deformities are indicators for land
based pollution in the environment.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Ted,with the number of troops we have stationed in SK do you think we would just turn our backs and leave if we are attacked?Better yet,do YOU think we should?

Whats more important is can we AFFORD another war?

Seems the Soviets thought they could and look where that got them.

[Raven]

we have money ONLY for Peace

we gave Mexico 1 billion + for anti cartel efforts last year
instead of ending pot prohibition to kill their black market biz

talk about a waste of money, it's in the trillion dollar category now

they just set up seven plastic chairs and killed a guy in each one
as their latest SHOW of brutality

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by likwid

Whats more important is can we AFFORD another war?

Seems the Soviets thought they could and look where that got them.

Well,if we can "afford" to put Obama back in office then anything is possible. Politically,if we turn our back on one of our host nations in a time of war,how do you think that works out in the long term? Thanks for the hospitality and good luck with whatever happens? Think it through Ted,people might notice our abandonement and it just may reflect poorly next time we need favors.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Well,if we can "afford" to put Obama back in office then anything is possible. Politically,if we turn our back on one of our host nations in a time of war,how do you think that works out in the long term? Thanks for the hospitality and good luck with whatever happens? Think it through Ted,people might notice our abandonement and it just may reflect poorly next time we need favors.

And if the regional players like SK, Taiwan, and Japan don't think the US has their backs, especially as a counterweight to the peace loving world huggers of mainland China, then maybe they'll decide that they need to pursue a nuclear weapons program for their survival.

SK today is a much more professional military than the last time they went head to head with the Norks. SK will probably roll the Norks all the way back (assuming China doesn't jump in) to the China / Russian borders. But at human costs that could easily dwarf the last 10 years of war.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by JohnR

And if the regional players like SK, Taiwan, and Japan don't think the US has their backs, especially as a counterweight to the peace loving world huggers of mainland China, then maybe they'll decide that they need to pursue a nuclear weapons program for their survival.

You mean countries that could have nukes if they wanted them tomorrow?

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Well,if we can "afford" to put Obama back in office then anything is possible. Politically,if we turn our back on one of our host nations in a time of war,how do you think that works out in the long term? Thanks for the hospitality and good luck with whatever happens? Think it through Ted,people might notice our abandonement and it just may reflect poorly next time we need favors.

Oh our friends? We turned our backs on our friend Pakistan to kill OBL, they got upset but got over it. They seem to have gotten over it.
Do you know who our friends are?
And not just the shiny plastic BS making ones.

[Sea Dangles]

Open your eyes Ted and try to comprehend how it all works.You are talking apples and oranges.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Open your eyes Ted and try to comprehend how it all works.You are talking apples and oranges.

Its a good thing nobody in here is in any position of power.

Yet more meaningless posturing and saber rattling.

Seems more people need to be opening eyes and watching less Fox News.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

You mean countries that could have nukes if they wanted them tomorrow?



Oh our friends? We turned our backs on our friend Pakistan to kill OBL, they got upset but got over it. They seem to have gotten over it.
Do you know who our friends are?
And not just the shiny plastic BS making ones.

"We turned our backs on our friend Pakistan to kill OBL, they got upset but got over it. They seem to have gotten over it."

They have gotten over it, have they? Tell that to the Pakistani citizen who told us where Bin Laden was. That man is a hero. Do you know where he is? Rotting in a Pakistani prison. They threw him in prison for telling the US where Bin Laden was.

Think about that Pakistani guy in prison. Why the thell, WHY IN THE HELL, would anyone in his right mind, stick his neck out to help us now? If someone risks his neck to help us, you don't throw them to the wolves.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

Seems the Soviets thought they could (afford another war) and look where that got them.

Seems to me, that the USSR collapsed not because of an additional war, but because they embraced many of the same socialist economic policies currently embraced by our Dear Leader.

At least the Soviets had the good sense to not try the socialist experiment when staggering numbers of their population were aging and soon to be looking for government assistance.

We are doing this at the worst possible time. 10,000 Americans a day turn 65, a trend that will last 15 more years. They are living longer. The medical care that keeps them living longer, is insanely expensive. And to top it all off, interest rates are about 0%, so we can't grow any of the money needed to provide the promised benefits.

[Raven]

not to mention they are most often clueless about health
and are too set in their ways to change Period...
unless it's LIFE THREATONING.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Seems to me, that the USSR collapsed not because of an additional war, but because they embraced many of the same socialist economic policies currently embraced by our Dear Leader.

At least the Soviets had the good sense to not try the socialist experiment when staggering numbers of their population were aging and soon to be looking for government assistance.

We are doing this at the worst possible time. 10,000 Americans a day turn 65, a trend that will last 15 more years. They are living longer. The medical care that keeps them living longer, is insanely expensive. And to top it all off, interest rates are about 0%, so we can't grow any of the money needed to provide the promised benefits.

And the scary thing is Jim, more people are on Medicaid then Medicare!! Think about that ....
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