It's time for us to take more serious action here ...

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Ted,with the number of troops we have stationed in SK do you think we would just turn our backs and leave if we are attacked?Better yet,do YOU think we should?

Whats more important is can we AFFORD another war?

Seems the Soviets thought they could and look where that got them.

[Raven]

we have money ONLY for Peace

we gave Mexico 1 billion + for anti cartel efforts last year
instead of ending pot prohibition to kill their black market biz

talk about a waste of money, it's in the trillion dollar category now

they just set up seven plastic chairs and killed a guy in each one
as their latest SHOW of brutality

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by likwid

Whats more important is can we AFFORD another war?

Seems the Soviets thought they could and look where that got them.

Well,if we can "afford" to put Obama back in office then anything is possible. Politically,if we turn our back on one of our host nations in a time of war,how do you think that works out in the long term? Thanks for the hospitality and good luck with whatever happens? Think it through Ted,people might notice our abandonement and it just may reflect poorly next time we need favors.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Well,if we can "afford" to put Obama back in office then anything is possible. Politically,if we turn our back on one of our host nations in a time of war,how do you think that works out in the long term? Thanks for the hospitality and good luck with whatever happens? Think it through Ted,people might notice our abandonement and it just may reflect poorly next time we need favors.

And if the regional players like SK, Taiwan, and Japan don't think the US has their backs, especially as a counterweight to the peace loving world huggers of mainland China, then maybe they'll decide that they need to pursue a nuclear weapons program for their survival.

SK today is a much more professional military than the last time they went head to head with the Norks. SK will probably roll the Norks all the way back (assuming China doesn't jump in) to the China / Russian borders. But at human costs that could easily dwarf the last 10 years of war.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by JohnR

And if the regional players like SK, Taiwan, and Japan don't think the US has their backs, especially as a counterweight to the peace loving world huggers of mainland China, then maybe they'll decide that they need to pursue a nuclear weapons program for their survival.

You mean countries that could have nukes if they wanted them tomorrow?

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Well,if we can "afford" to put Obama back in office then anything is possible. Politically,if we turn our back on one of our host nations in a time of war,how do you think that works out in the long term? Thanks for the hospitality and good luck with whatever happens? Think it through Ted,people might notice our abandonement and it just may reflect poorly next time we need favors.

Oh our friends? We turned our backs on our friend Pakistan to kill OBL, they got upset but got over it. They seem to have gotten over it.
Do you know who our friends are?
And not just the shiny plastic BS making ones.

[Sea Dangles]

Open your eyes Ted and try to comprehend how it all works.You are talking apples and oranges.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Open your eyes Ted and try to comprehend how it all works.You are talking apples and oranges.

Its a good thing nobody in here is in any position of power.

Yet more meaningless posturing and saber rattling.

Seems more people need to be opening eyes and watching less Fox News.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by likwid

Its a good thing nobody in here is in any position of power.

Yet more meaningless posturing and saber rattling.

Seems more people need to be opening eyes and watching less Fox News.

"You said nothing but your usual clown car dribble, Thanks! "

By MARTHA RADDATZ (@martharaddatz) and LUIS MARTINEZ (@LMartinezABC)(not FOX)
April 2, 2013

Gen. James Thurman, the top U.S. commander in South Korea(position of power), said that in his two years on the job he has never seen things as tense as they are right now, telling ABC News the situation on the Korean peninsula as "volatile" and "dangerous."

Thurman said with the North Korean rhetoric at such a high level his greatest fear is "a miscalculation. An impulsive decision that causes a kinetic provocation."

The general said he has to take North Korea's rhetoric seriously. Asked if he thought they were empty threats Thurman said "No, I don't think that they are. We've got to take every threat seriously."


LATimes (not FOX)
By Jung-yoon Choi

April 2, 2013, 9:38 a.m.
SEOUL --

"I have to say this is one of the most dangerous moments since 1953," said Shi Yinhong, a professor of international relations at Beijing’s Renmin University, referring to the end of the Korean War.


BY: Bill Gertz
April 1, 2013 2:30 pm

China has placed military forces on heightened alert in the northeastern part of the country as tensions mount on the Korean peninsula following recent threats by Pyongyang to attack, U.S. officials said.

Reports from the region reveal the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) recently increased its military posture in response to the heightened tensions, specifically North Korea’s declaration of a “state of war” and threats to conduct missile attacks against the United States and South Korea.

China’s military maintains a long-standing defense treaty with the North that obligates China to defend North Korea in the event it is attacked. (meaningless?)The last time Chinese forces backed Pyongyang was during the Korean War when tens of thousands of Chinese “volunteers” drove south into the peninsula.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

You mean countries that could have nukes if they wanted them tomorrow?



Oh our friends? We turned our backs on our friend Pakistan to kill OBL, they got upset but got over it. They seem to have gotten over it.
Do you know who our friends are?
And not just the shiny plastic BS making ones.

"We turned our backs on our friend Pakistan to kill OBL, they got upset but got over it. They seem to have gotten over it."

They have gotten over it, have they? Tell that to the Pakistani citizen who told us where Bin Laden was. That man is a hero. Do you know where he is? Rotting in a Pakistani prison. They threw him in prison for telling the US where Bin Laden was.

Think about that Pakistani guy in prison. Why the thell, WHY IN THE HELL, would anyone in his right mind, stick his neck out to help us now? If someone risks his neck to help us, you don't throw them to the wolves.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

Seems the Soviets thought they could (afford another war) and look where that got them.

Seems to me, that the USSR collapsed not because of an additional war, but because they embraced many of the same socialist economic policies currently embraced by our Dear Leader.

At least the Soviets had the good sense to not try the socialist experiment when staggering numbers of their population were aging and soon to be looking for government assistance.

We are doing this at the worst possible time. 10,000 Americans a day turn 65, a trend that will last 15 more years. They are living longer. The medical care that keeps them living longer, is insanely expensive. And to top it all off, interest rates are about 0%, so we can't grow any of the money needed to provide the promised benefits.

[Raven]

not to mention they are most often clueless about health
and are too set in their ways to change Period...
unless it's LIFE THREATONING.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Seems to me, that the USSR collapsed not because of an additional war, but because they embraced many of the same socialist economic policies currently embraced by our Dear Leader.

At least the Soviets had the good sense to not try the socialist experiment when staggering numbers of their population were aging and soon to be looking for government assistance.

We are doing this at the worst possible time. 10,000 Americans a day turn 65, a trend that will last 15 more years. They are living longer. The medical care that keeps them living longer, is insanely expensive. And to top it all off, interest rates are about 0%, so we can't grow any of the money needed to provide the promised benefits.

And the scary thing is Jim, more people are on Medicaid then Medicare!! Think about that ....
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