Imagine a President with Balls

["uffah!!"]

Nebe on the phone with his Political Adviser!!!

[fishaholic18]

Nebe after hearing about Katrina,

[fishaholic18]

Nebe and Bush are in Cahoots!

[Redsoxticket]

I can't imagine a president with balls but I know one that is a bush.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Homerun04

Uh, correct me if I AM wrong but we KNOW for a fact they had / have WMD.....because they gased and killed over 100,000 Kurds a few years back, and Saddam is on trial for his life because of that......what, that doesn't count as WMD...???

No..it doesn't...

You guys should read "Chain of Command"...

-spence

[Homerun04]

No..it doesn't...

Wrong Spence....biological AND chemical weapons DO count as WMD......

(1) "Weapon of mass destruction" includes chemical warfare agents, biological warfare agents, nuclear agents, or radiological agents, the intentional release of industrial agents as a weapon, or any destructive device or explosive in excess of five pounds or 2.26 kilograms. "Weapon of mass destruction" does not include the development, production, transfer, acquisition, retention, or possession of any biological agent, toxin, or delivery system utilized for prophylactic, protective, or peaceful purposes by any university, research institution, private individual, or hospital which is registered with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) pursuant to Part 113 (commencing with Section 113.1) of Subchapter E of Chapter 1 of Title 9 of the Code of Federal Regulations, or any successor provisions.

[spence]

Missing the point

Think...

-spence

[Homerun04]

Why don't you make it for me then............

[spence]

They were WMD, buit they don't count...

Think more...

-spence

[Homerun04]

Okay, why not.....? Because they were already used....???.....clue me in, oh wise one......

[Nebe]

BINGO...

we didnt go into Iraq because they 'had' WMD's..... we went in there because we were told they were in posession of them right now...

where are they????

[Homerun04]

we didnt go into Iraq because they 'had' WMD's..... we went in there because we were told they were in posession of them right now...

Your logic is flawed.........as is the logic of everyone else who thinks this way.........because the Iraqi's had all the ELEMENTS to create WMD -- and because they had already assembled these elements in the past to create WMD and therefiore prove they had the capacity to rapidly develop these weapons -- then, by definition, THEY HAVE WMD......your logic is similar to not arresting someone who owns both a rocket as well as a nuclear warhead simply becaise they hadn't put the two together yet.......even if in the past they had put the two together and used them.

Another analogy for you to ponder: using heroine or cocaine is not illegal in the US, but BEING IN POSSESION OF IT is. Being in possesion of the technology to assemble WMD was against the UN mandates to Iraq......so no mattter how you look at it, they both had the technology and means to rapidly develop WMD -- and as a result -- by default -- this means they HAVE WMD..........

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Nebe

BINGO...

we didnt go into Iraq because they 'had' WMD's..... we went in there because we were told they were in posession of them right now...

where are they????

trucked into Iran for safe keeping

[greenmeanie]

I would just like to have a PRES that would stop disarming us so we can protect ourselves from people like in New Orleans!

[spence]

Originally Posted by Homerun04

Your logic is flawed.........as is the logic of everyone else who thinks this way.........because the Iraqi's had all the ELEMENTS to create WMD -- and because they had already assembled these elements in the past to create WMD and therefiore prove they had the capacity to rapidly develop these weapons -- then, by definition, THEY HAVE WMD.

Homerun, your logic is seriously flawed

Unless there are useable stockpiles, the ability to produce is only meaningful if it can be done urgently. Beyond that it's a sliding scale of risk. Additionally there has to be a desire to have said WMD used in a terrorist act.

As bad as He has been in the past, we know today that there was never much credible information that indicated Saddam was a short-term threat on either count.

The laundry list of countries that have real stockpiles of WMD today is quite large. The list of nations with nuclear weapons or those that are close is growing quickly. Many of these countries have deep roots to terrorisim, and continue to pose a much larger threat than Saddam ever did.

The real tragedy of Iraq, is that this idiological detour has undermined the very institutions necessary to wage an effective war against the real enemy.

-spence

[Raven]

agreed: quote: undermined the very institutions necessary to wage an effective war against the real enemy.
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the effective war....is never going to END....and all these mothers and anti war protesters don't seem to realize that this Particular WAR ,the war on terror is never , ever going to end...i am sad to say....but that is the stark reality that they refuse to face as painful as that may be...it's the ultimate truth. There is a jihad against America until their very last breath on until we are in the final war or until the day we call 'DOOMSDAY. Anyone who thinks
that they will quit...or that killing a certain number of leftover insurgents is going to end the conflict is wishfully thinking and is locked into a non realistic fantasy. if and when it ends over there it shall begin over here.
the real enemy is not in one place.....and have been placed strategically everywhere they could get a foothold and blend into the existing culture.

[fishaholic18]

Sorry I started this thread.

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by fishaholic18

Sorry I started this thread.

Don't be, discussion about where this nation has been and is going is healthy and necessary.

I wonder how history will look back on Katrina. It might even be a landmark shift in how we view our place on the globe realtive to everyone else. It's tough to say, but more then a few people on this board alone said something along the lines of "I'll never vote Republican again". Everyone should think outside of just Democrat and Republican. The 2 party system is antiquated anyway.

[Homerun04]

Spence - you and I see the world differently. I'll leave it at that.