Israel and World War Three

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

of course, we deserved it! I wonder how many of you could have predicted Spence's response?

Not placing blame, just trying to remain objective. There are a lot of lessons to be learned from history, and to ignore the role that our influence has had on many global events doesn't bode well for the future.

Our leaders have done a number of bad things thinking they were in the public interest at the time, some of them may have been worth it...and some not. This isn't a liberal notion, it's just reality.

-spence

[Flaptail]

Question "Do you believe in God?" Answer "No", bang your dead.

Question "Do you believe in God?" Answer "yes", Question, "Do you believe in my God?" Answer "No", bang your dead. George Carlin

Religion, one of the best and worst things ever to be. Causes more death, war, turmoil than any other one single cause. Besides oil of course.

Yes, the world is holdin on by a thread and total chaos is only a breath away. We are in tow many places where we don't belong, fighting to "right" causes that have been and will be around for the next thousand years. We know nothing of tribal and factional infighting and should not meddle in something that will never cease to be.

10% of Salvadoran nationals live and work in the US, most illegally.
20% of Mexican nationals live and work here also, along with like and higher percentages of Brazilians, Guatemalans etc. 80% of those only are here for the money and could care less about our country itself. They send thier money home, spend little here and when they die they are sent home to be buried. Time to become a more insular country and stop being the worlds top cop, administer of culture, political ideologies and religion.

Yes the world is about to go boom, war is good for the economy you know, and when it's all over and the world scene is a different place we will lick our wounds and somehow come to the realization that we were wrong and eventually tee shirts, hats, sneakers, electronics and just about everything else will carry a label made in Iran, made in Iraq made in Syria just like now going to Old Navy and buying shirts made in Viet Nam.

Carry on.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

Yes the world is about to go boom, war is good for the economy you know, and when it's all over and the world scene is a different place we will lick our wounds and somehow come to the realization that we were wrong and eventually tee shirts, hats, sneakers, electronics and just about everything else will carry a label made in Iran, made in Iraq made in Syria just like now going to Old Navy and buying shirts made in Viet Nam.

A refreshing voice of reason



-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, what goes around comes around...those hostages might have never been taken had the US not meddeled so much in the Iranian government

-spence

Yep those hostages deserved it alright.

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Yep those hostages deserved it alright.

Here ya go...

http://www.rhlschool.com/reading.htm

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Here ya go...

http://www.rhlschool.com/reading.htm

-spence

Thanks for that but this seems more relevant to your post


http://blameamerica.com/

[RIJIMMY]

I truly think this has NOTHING to do with the US. These are Isreals actions and not ours.
But, Hezzballoh is a terrorist organization and if Isreal wipes them out, I think its good. I am not for war, I am against it. but my entire life I have heard "Mid East Peace Talks" 100 times, with NO true progress. WHat has diplomacy resolved? Nothing. We could not negotiate with the Nazis on genocide, they needed to be erradicated. i think the same holds true for islamicterrorism. The concept that the US should be lead this diplomtic effort and over time our enemies will become our friends, holds no water, we have in the past (carter/clinton peace talks) and it got us and the region no where.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I truly think this has NOTHING to do with the US. These are Isreals actions and not ours.

The US is the only nation standing behind Israel on this, we are directly endorsing their behavior. In the eyes of the muslim world there is little difference between the US and Israel.

But, Hezzballoh is a terrorist organization and if Isreal wipes them out, I think its good.

The issue is the means not the ends. I don't think anyone believes Israel can eliminate the threat of Hizbolla by squeezing Lebanon as the problem is much broader.

In the process there's a lot of risk that this could explode into something much bigger. That is the issue...

I am not for war, I am against it. but my entire life I have heard "Mid East Peace Talks" 100 times, with NO true progress.

That's a good point. The bigger problem has been that the palestenians are looking for parity, and Israel doesn't really want to give it. The Israelis are looking for security and the Palestenians have been unwilling (or unable) to provide it.

But again, it's a bigger issue than just the two people...and that's the problem. The US has used our UN veto repeatedly to hide Israeli actions that most people would think unreasonable or illegal. At the same time neighboring Arab and Persian states have used the Palestenians in a proxy war vs Jewish and Western interests.

Personally I think a third party solution is the only way...but...

-spence

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by spence

The US is the only nation standing behind Israel on this, we are directly endorsing their behavior. In the eyes of the muslim world there is little difference between the US and Israel. -spence

So we should'nt support Isreal trying to protect thier people from death and destruction? The way people think in the world today is quite scary and mindbogling. Everyone condems Isreal, yet no one will condem North Korea or Iran. The world is %$%$%$%$ed up. I guess the world just hates Jews and Isreal After what the Jewish people went through Sixty plus years ago, the world doesnt even have the courage to stand behind them and support them for trying to keep thier people safe. The world supports terroists more than it does a country defending its people from death and destruction. Its really sad to watch.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

So we should'nt support Isreal trying to protect thier people from death and destruction?

No Skippy that's not the issue.

You seem to have a very blanket view of the situation. Either Israel is always right, or always wrong...

That's just not how the world works.

-spence

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Originally Posted by spence

No Skippy that's not the issue.

You seem to have a very blanket view of the situation. Either Israel is always right, or always wrong...

That's just not how the world works.

-spence

In this case Isreal is right.... They're doing what needs to be done

[RIJIMMY]

Could be, but I'm not sure how an impartial 3rd party can be....eskimos?

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Could be, but I'm not sure how an impartial 3rd party can be....eskimos?

It was a hundred de-grees below ze-ro



-spence

[Skip N]

Spence is right, the US needs to do much more about the current situation with Isreal. We need to say to the entire world that the US Supports Isreal 100% and send all the weapons Isreal needs to wipe out those murdering Hamas and Hezballa thugs. Its thats simple, the war has started and there's no turning back, you either support Isreal and them defending thier people, or you support Hamas and Hezballah. I know what side i'm on.

Anyone notice how quick it took for the UN to condem Isreal? Yet the UN refuses to condem North Korea and Iran? Or even freakin Hamas or Hezballa for that matter. Its ALL Isreal fault according to the UN. Just goes to show how useless the UN are.

Thank God the US supports Isreal 100% while they defend their homeland from murderous terroists. Sadly the UN just doesnt care if Isreal gets wiped off the map....

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Anyone notice how quick it took for the UN to condem Isreal? Yet the UN refuses to condem North Korea and Iran? .

good point skip, its true.

Here is a good editorial which I agree with
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/sto...p-366373c.html

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Originally Posted by Skip N

Thank God the US supports Isreal 100% while they defend their homeland from murderous terroists.

Too bad even we don't, eh?

The State Department is urging restraint and even Bush is asking Israel to minimize collateral damage.

The problem is a bit more complicated than a steamlined "kill 'em all" approach.

-spence

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Originally Posted by Skip N

Anyone notice how quick it took for the UN to condem Isreal? Yet the UN refuses to condem North Korea

Skippy, just in...are you watching the news?!?!?!?

UNITED NATIONS - The U.N. Security Council voted unanimously Saturday to impose limited sanctions on North Korea for its recent missile tests, and demanded that the reclusive communist nation suspend its ballistic missile program. North Korea immediately rejected the resolution and vowed to continue missile launches.

-spence

[Skitterpop]

http://web.morons.org/



For all of us

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by spence

Skippy, just in...are you watching the news?!?!?!?

UNITED NATIONS - The U.N. Security Council voted unanimously Saturday to impose limited sanctions on North Korea for its recent missile tests, and demanded that the reclusive communist nation suspend its ballistic missile program. North Korea immediately rejected the resolution and vowed to continue missile launches.

-spence

Its about time, it took 'em long enough! We'll see what the UN does when NK launches a few more missles. My guess is nothing, like they usually do.

But my earlier statement still stands, a day after Isreal launched attacks in thier defense they get ripped apart by everyone. It took em over a week to condem NK wich only launched missles to scare the world and flex its muscles. And have they said much about Iran or Hezballa recently? Nope, just some good ol' fashion Isreal bashing!

[RIJIMMY]

another good read:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/idea...p-366369c.html

[RIJIMMY]

those are some intersting points from a socialist that lives on an island and whose country has some of the most stringent immigrant and vistor screenings in the world. What worries does Austrailia have?

[stripersnipr]

Interesting how some people can choose to remain neutral when a friend of America is fighting a sworn enemy of America.

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Interesting how some people can choose to remain neutral when a friend of America is fighting a sworn enemy of America.

The reality is, this logic contributed much to 9/11.

I don't think we should remain neutral at all...in fact I think we need to stick our nose right in the middle of things.

-spence

[spence]

I'd also add, AGAIN that the US State Department us asking for restraint and that even President Bush is urging Israel to minimize casualties in their actions...

If would seem that not only the UN, EU, Russia, China and Arab League but also our own White House doesn't share your opinion.

-spence

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by spence

I'd also add, AGAIN that the US State Department us asking for restraint and that even President Bush is urging Israel to minimize casualties in their actions...

If would seem that not only the UN, EU, Russia, China and Arab League but also our own White House doesn't share your opinion.

-spence

I believe the president was quoted as saying Isreal should do its best to minimize "civilian" casulaties. He's all for taking out hezballa. And of course we dont want civilians killed, but sadly in war that happens. Especially when the terroists your after are hiding in neiborhoods were innocents reside.

Now your friends Hezballa ONLY target innocents, yet the world says little to condem them. They only care about ripping Isreal.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by spence

The reality is, this logic contributed much to 9/11.

I don't think we should remain neutral at all...in fact I think we need to stick our nose right in the middle of things.

-spence

Yeah lets get in the middle and help Isreal fight thier war on terror. We are at war against terror, so is Isreal, so we need to stick together in this fight. Of course many seem to wanna reason with the terrosts, but not me, only insane folks think they can reason with throat slitters.

[Swimmer]

It is interesting how this entire chat/posting is taking place between guys whose screen names begin with the letter S. Must be freudian or some other chit!

[Skitterpop]

I`m done....I`m ashamed of myself and apologize to everyone.

[Swimmer]

I love reading everything all of you guys post.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Interesting how some people can choose to remain neutral when a friend of America is fighting a sworn enemy of America.

Thats how liberals think....sad but true, they have no interest in helping one of Americas best friends and allies in thier time of extreme crisis. If we dont help Isreal now, we better not expect them to help us one bit in the future. Why the hell would they if we turn our backs on em now?