SB members only / sensative threads - Page 2 - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

eelman · 07-28-2006, 01:21 PM

You have so many members whats the diff? it may as well be all over the net..One way or the other the stuff will end up elseware...Yo Yo-ing is for the most part a "comm. technique" to quickly get a limit of sellable bass, it is very rarely used as a recreational way to land striped bass, one of the reasons is that a bass that swallowed one is not a good canidate to realease, for various reasons...It is just such a thread that is going to ruffle feathers and inevetably start trouble one way or the other....it will go from "how do I do it"? to "I hate comms" Its an old traditional not very talked about technique that in my opinion should stay that way....However you are in charge here...Just My .02...Lets have some decency to those old timers who have earned the right to keep that to themselves, they have for years and years and now, there is going to be a how to session on yo-yo'ing.....Just my opinion like I said,ut I would leave it alone.............Some things are best left that way.......Thos people see that here and they wont be to happy....I for one respect the "fleet" for what they do and how they do it......

partsjay · 07-28-2006, 01:31 PM

I'm all for it.....I like the date joined idea.....I think it could be helpful.

Some guys won't like it, but then again, some guys don't like anything.

eelman · 07-28-2006, 01:34 PM

well , speculation is great....But there is only one guy here who truly knows how to yo-yo the right way...and I would bet my life he wont be giving lessons......

Back Beach · 07-28-2006, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

well , speculation is great....But there is only one guy here who truly knows how to yo-yo the right way...and I would bet my life he wont be giving lessons......Right Clammer!

Clammer's little secret is that he yo-yo's bluefish.

Clogston29 · 07-28-2006, 01:39 PM

so the fact that jonny from burger king (to steal a line from keith foulke

) has to wait a few weeks is gonna make people more open. #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& is right, there are so many members on the site that posting on a members only site would not be much different that posting on an open site, with the exception that the people who see the information are more likely serious about fishing and therefore more likely to use the information.

Clammer · 07-28-2006, 01:49 PM

IMO ;;
I don,t like it //also how do you descide who.how & when // there have ebb sighen up for years /that are random / or they will sign up & make the necessary posts to get in this section .

you already have a how to section ;; that S/B enought ;;

what,s the purpose ===so guys can find a more deadly way of catching fish ===or to brag 5000 # making people want to know more & more ..
that was /is a deadly method // it will 99.9 outfish any others means ;;;
I have only used it in the commercial season & even with RI,s four fish limit /chose to fish live on the beach / verus fishing the fleet ;;;
The last thing the bass needs 100000 guys all Y.Y == the pogies are finally making sumwhat of a comeback ;; ya can catch plenty of fish the trandional way // no need to go deadly ..;;

where do you stop

tubing // 50, different ways / lets get to the most effect way the easiest & quickest way ;;

and the list goe,s on // there are hard fishing either my luck or trail & error have come up with a killer way to catch fish ;::;

fluke
tuna
[blues]
tautog
etc ..

there is no need for it ==== it went too far tobin with & it was & will start to get nasty // I KNOW & YOU DON<T = YES I DO __ NO ++ PROVE IT ;;

IMO your gonna create something you,ll regret //

I,ll bet the majority of guys that want a special forum //don,t know how ;;;

Just wait & someone can go on the talk circuit /THIS winter == selling knowledge for cheap money ;;

Step by step to rig for Y/Y .......... & then come back on another circuit / different kinds of y/y setups cc

Slipknot · 07-28-2006, 01:52 PM

You run the site John, do what you think is right.

That yoyo thing is not just commercial, I know it is used in tournaments and derbys. but like it was mentioned before, it's risky if a bass has all that lead in it's stomach unbeknownst to the fisherman looking to enter a cow in a derby.

I don't think there will be any article in on the water on how to yoyo anytime soon. Like #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& said, that is maybe the one and only one technique that should not be talked about too freely. There are plenty of ways to catch a bass. I've seen pictures of the contents of bass's stomachs' that were loaded with the weights and rods and stuff for yoyoing, it can't be healthy for the fish.

knowing how to do it, and actually being sucessful at it are 2 different things also, but practice makes perfect. I doubt people are gonna rush out a buy a boat and fresh pogies and start yoyoing this weekend till all the cows are gone, but it doesn't need to be all spelled out on the web either.

Slipknot · 07-28-2006, 02:15 PM

yes Chris, we are all hypocrites

ThrowingTimber · 07-28-2006, 02:18 PM

Go fishing, save chit like this for mid january

eelman · 07-28-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by reelecstasy

I didn't think it was gonna be a yoyo forum, sorry I don't get it. alot of guys on here boost how this IS a "club" but not sharing how to's, that doesn't make sense. A "club" means you are all in it together....Not sharing techniques, or deeming ones as "secret" gimme a break......

I think any technique if its going to be talked about should be personall choice. I said I would not do it because its not my place to, if the guys who do it regular want to talk about it so be it...
MikeP IS 100% Correct, even if you tell someone how to do something(especially here) I have found that you get it right back in the face! Like MikeP said "how do you know" "my way is better" "your full of BS" "liar" etc...This place is the poster child for "damed if you do, damed if you dont" While at any "club" meeting in person its is different than it is on an internet board.

Personally, I have no problem sharing what I do and have done so, but you can only be called full of crap so many times before you just glance at a thread and decide not to add to it...which is why I dont anymore other than small talk.

I do not yo-yo and have no experiance with it. Anything else I would be happy to tell people but now, I am much more comfortable doing it in person rather than here...You can only be burned by fire so many times before you smarten up..

eelman · 07-28-2006, 02:42 PM

To funny...there is a guy on "SNESA" Asking how to yo-yo bunker in an email.........Cant wait to see the responce's

JohnR · 07-28-2006, 02:46 PM

Part of the reason I'm posting this is because of requests in the past for such a thing - not so much the YoYo thread.

Some of the problem, as I see it, is that information should be shared so that the knowledge and RESPECT for what we do is properly gained. Writing an article for catching a 50 in 3 easy steps is a useless as 4 minute Abs - just doesn't happen. Basic methods should absilutely be shared and encouraged between people online and offline. Better and more involved methods should be shared too - sometimes online sometimes offline - but sometimes these methods (and the spot word

) are sometimes not best shared on a platter for the world to see whether online or in print. They are best done fisher to fisher on a one on one basis (where people meet like here) or in a club.

I'm not trying to exclude people when I bring something like this up. What I am trying to figure out is that if an avenue is created, with the blessing of those on the site, that will remove some of the bickering that goes on is the best thing to do. We are a commnity here and sharing within our community benefits all of us I think. I'm just trying to see if tweaking the way we share is worth it or not.

Thanks!

John

eelman · 07-28-2006, 02:55 PM

Sounds good John, but since the "regulars" already post here all the time anyway, what difference will it make? the bickering is what it is with the same people? Just asking..... Hey look, you have a great site, its huge and growing everyday.....I would not want to be in your shoes and have to pull my hair out all the time, but ultimatly I guess you make the decisions...you do the best you can with the time you have...I am not trying to start trouble here...It would be great if the bikering can stop....but it never does...its been years.

Maybe your idea is a good one, I dont know....I do know that if every now and then you at least let people talk about the better known spots etc....it may ease tension...the problem is how do you not let the whole world in on it? who knows....I was just stating opinions and not trying to stir a pot, even with a thread like this you can see how it shoots off in its own direction and goes off topic.

So far you have done a great job with this site, its the most looked at one out there..I am sure you will come up with the right answers in time!

But what do I know ............

On second thought, what am I even involved in this for? I contribute nothing of value here?? I guess its just to hot and sitting here is killing the time until BOAT LAUNCH!!

JohnR · 07-28-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

Maybe your idea is a good one, I dont know....I do know that if every now and then you at least let people talk about the better known spots etc....it may ease tension...the problem is how do you not let the whole world in on it? who knows....

That's the thing - spots. It is probably the most contentious issue on the site. And it's usually OK until someone starts talking about someone else's favorite spot. What I am trying to find is the best balance. My never-ending-tilting-towards-windmills-quest ...

I'm changing my name to DomQ

MotoXcowboy · 07-28-2006, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnR

That's the thing - spots. It is probably the most contentious issue on the site. And it's usually OK until someone starts talking about someone else's favorite spot. What I am trying to find is the best balance. My never-ending-tilting-towards-windmills-quest ...

I'm changing my name to DomQ

fish swim..why does S-B need a spot talk section? I hate crowds..I think if its about spots then no way..S-B is cool the way it is.

shore-spot talk is best at..town/county, state, or island.

Boat guys, should come up with some kind of generlizations and stick to them, and keep it moderated tight..

pm more specifics to your buddies. the site seems to work well the way it is now.

people want spots? then put in go find em..get a map, depth chart..search google

its better that way I think.

if we're still talking techniques - S-B has a "how to section" "plugbuilding, flyfishing, bottom, ect.." move or moderate the stripertalk sensitive stuff over there.

I think how to's are great..ive learned the most from them. why would you want to seclude newbie members from these tips and tricks..If a person is willing to read and try they are learning and I think they deserve that from the group/site and thats what makes this place so awesome.

Im not a fishing know it all by any means..although ive learned and progressed alot by applying the knowledge I've leared here into the surf. i think, i sence the general issue here though which is....trade secrets..like yoyo. is it TM? no just a method. I understand why it is controversial though..

Since i dont know enough about it, i wont sit here and pretend to know.

I know one thing..
About having a online club in the forum.
I think i read earlier it says something about post counts and or S-B born on date...

Both are good and bad ideas..thats a tough desision. I agree w/ TT people will post nonsense to increase post counts..

i think i understand what clammer is said too..there could be or is..long time lurkers? i dont know..

I think S-B is great the way it is, and wouldnt change a thing.

Moto

p.s Hooters = S-B Sensative Material discussion forum

chris L · 07-28-2006, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

I contribute nothing of value here??

hey wait a minute no one contributes less valuable info than I do !

LOL

as far as this thread . what ever is the consensus is , I will go along with . I guess !

NIB · 07-29-2006, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

But what do I know ............

On second thought, what am I even involved in this for? I contribute nothing of value here?? I guess its just to hot and sitting here is killing the time until BOAT LAUNCH!!

But u do contribute,even though u may not think so.I now hook my eels the way u do, sometimes. My mind is like a sponge I am always learning.Thats why I like fishing sites I take in info an decide how it best suits my style of fishing.An I ain't new at this.Imagine what u can give to some beginner.That being said I did fall asleep at one of ur seminars.It's a long drive.....
Not sure about memebers only I think it makes it harder to gain new members.The old skool way seemed to work fine till now.I remember when striper surf had a memebers only gig going on over there.I stoped visiting.I think they changed it back.But it was alot of forums.Maybe one forum would be ok if it was not the only one used.
I have eddie from Iron maiden on my arm.so there.

Fisherwoman · 07-29-2006, 08:48 AM

I wasn't gonna post but I have to because I have know JohnR long
before he created this great site!!! 1st of all there is nothing wrong with the site just the way it is. Pretty soon you are gonna have so many forums that your gonna need 50 moderaters.
I don't care how many techniques you put on the internet, Most people will try them once, it won't work, and they will never try it again. YO Yoing is no secret, it has been around for years and if you know how to do it and do not want to share the info, because of promises to fishing friends or so forth, and respect of fellow anglers, then do not participate, then you are in no better shape then if you did not say anything.

How many articals have been written by people on this board as how too's in all of our favorite magazines. Come on people!!! You share your knowlendge for money or fame or because you enjoy helping people catch fish in this sport. How many people do you really think are gonna go out and spend hours riggin pogies to yo -yo and then go fishing, its just not gonna happen.

I teach people how to fish every freakin day on the water and they will only get out of it what they put into it and no matter how many techniques you use only time on the water and dedication will make it work for you. Most people are too lazy to try any extreme or complicated methods to go striped bass fishing, they want the most quickest and best idea for right now!!!

If someone want to post how to do something then so be it. if you don't want to add to it or say anthing don't add to it and stay off the post from offending and starting %$%$%$%$ with anybody who did post it. In my estimation you guys have way too much time on your hands and instead of bitching back ond forth go fishing. Life is too freakin short people.

I respect and have learned from many great fisherman over the years who do not look for fame or any other variety of the sort, they just are good at what they do as time has tought them, they love the sport and they have some things they just do not share. If someone asks me not to divulge it I DON"T, but that does not mean somebody else knows how to do and will share it with somebody else or on the internet. Thats Life, get over it!!!!

I agree with the spot issue because some places just can't take alot of pressure, but you can best believe if people are weighin in fish at a local shop they are gonna send there patrons to where fish have been caught so as to build up trust with there clientel, does that mean the fish are there. NO THEY SWIM!!! what was the wind, what was the tide, what time of day was it. Any good fisherman knows there are alot more factors that play into catching fish that just the spot it was caught and what they caught it with.

Sorry JohnR, but I just could not take it any more. love you and love the site, stay strong and just keep it as it is. If you don't like it here leave, if you do stay. If you can't add anything good to a thread then keep your mouth shut. if you want to be positive and add something go ahead. Let the moderator decide if it is to much information. Tight lines everybody I am going fishing!!!!!!!!!!!!

Labrador1 · 07-28-2006, 09:38 PM

I wouldn't care to see a members only area. I'm stubborn - and if I see a site that makes you join to really get the goods - then I think the site is just trying to twist my arm into joining. And I figure if they have to twist my arm - then it probably isn't worth it.

As for the Yo-Yo thing - I agree that posting information about it probably won't have a dramatic effect on the striper population overall - but I would say that some posts seem to be building this up like it is pure gold - and then saying how bad it would be to let the information out. If you really believe this is effective, but not appropriate for the general public - then let it die. The more folks hear about how great it is - but that they can't have it - the more they'll want it. If you know anything about yo-yoing and want to keep it a secret - then do just that. But if you make even the slightest reference to how great it is or how it should be kept quiet - then you are fueling the fire.